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Your Thoughts: Sesame Street Old School Volume 3 1979-1984 DVD

Discussion in 'Sesame Merchandise' started by Phillip, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I wasn't expecting the behind-the-scenes footage from the birdwatchers episode to include behind-the-scenes of more of the episode than the 40th anniversary set had (it makes sense that set only had behind-the-scenes of the one clip that was included). I also noticed that the interview with Caroll Spinney included some behind-the-scenes footage that wasn't included on the DVD (seperately from the interview) or on the 40th anniversary set.
  2. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    My copy arrived earlier today, but I can't pick it up from the office until eight. Phooey. But, since the price went down since I ordered it, I got $5 back!
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Warner Bros hates having more disks than it needs to, even at the result of double sided disks (YUCK, and Double Yuck!) What gets my goat is when they use the double disk to put one bonus feature and up to 3 episodes that just didn't fit. I can forgive a low number of bonus bits for that. I just hope they step the game up with the next volume to a full six per season.
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I'm kinda hoping that if volume 4 comes out and is two-discs for disc 2 to at least have a little more bonus clips per season. Like 5 bonus clips each for seasons 16-18 and 6 or 7 each for seasons 19-20. But then again I guess it depends on what kind of additional bonus features it has. I'd like for some additional street stories to be included as well, and I don't care either way if it has an animated storybook.
  5. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Picked up my copy; liking what I see so far! I perusing the bonus features first; The Chaplin bit was actually very funny. I kinda wish they'd had more segments on here; as much as there are repeats from the 40 Years disc and stuff online, it's great they still could put some rare bits like that out. Also, the theme doesn't seem to be that big an issue, seeing as though the instrumental still plays at the beginning and end of the episodes.

    Also, Philip, there's another Noggin edit to #1316 with Oscar and Osvaldo in the rain following the Madrigal Alphabet bit.
  6. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Good catch. Thank you.
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I wonder, if Sesame Workshop keeps putting out sets with every five season premieres, I wonder if it'd be better to eventually drop the "Old School" titles and replace it with a different title. Though I don't know what an appropriate substitute title would be.

    Of course if they get to releasing the season 26-30 premieres those might be considered "old school" by then. Ditto to if they get around to the season 31-35 premieres (though most of those have been released on DVD, even if it's just the street stories). And who's to say that if the show's still on the air when they run out of five-year periods that there won't be another five-year (or longer) wait?

    If this set doesn't sell well enough I hope we can get something for the nostalgiac collectors next year. Maybe a two-disc release of maybe four full episodes from earlier than 1984, or a release of the show's best-known episodes not on the Old School DVDs (the full episode 1839, episode 2096, Maria and Luis get married, Gabbi is born), or a release of the hawaii episodes (though that would be six episodes, one more than five), or even just a release of classic inserts.
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  8. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I say, keep going until season 30.
  9. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Well, I've finished watching all five episodes today, though there's still some bonus features I haven't watched yet (audio commentary, Goodbye Mr. Hooper, How to Be a Grouch with Caroll Spinney's video image). It's all great.

    When watching episode 1446, I was surprised to see that an old recording was used when Big Bird sang ABC-DEF-GHI. It's interesting to hear the season 1 Big Bird voice over visuals of season 12 Big Bird, especially when his better-known voice is heard for the rest of the show. Even more surprisingly: They used the recording from the first broadcast as opposed to the original record recording (he contemplates asking Bob or Gordon, which he did in the original version but not the record version). Sure, there are other instances where remakes use earlier recordings, but this one seems to stick out more (though after watching the 1991 version of I Love Trash so much on The Best of Friends, it also feels a little odd hearing 1970 Oscar on 1991 Oscar, especially with Oscar's spoken-word introduction coming right before the old recording).

    Watched episode 1316 last night. I was surprised that Maria was celebrating her 21st birthday. When she first appeared in season 3 she looked a lot older than 11 (actually I'd say when she debuted she looked closer to 17). Maybe it's a case of "dawson casting", a term used by TV Tropes to refer to actors who are much older that the characters they play are supposed to be.

    Also in that episode, when Oscar's in his traveling can, his legs look longer than they do in any other "traveling trash can" scene that I've seen, and the can looks bigger as well. In this episode it seems we never see Oscar's legs out of the trash can when he's with the rest of the cast (when he walks away from Gordon we don't really get a good view of his legs).

    It's interesting comparing the amount of classic cuts to the amount of clips in the 40th anniversary set. On that release, seasons 1-5 and 11-15 got heavy focus, while it seemed to rush through seasons 6-10. On Old School Volume 2, each season was represented with at least 9 bonus clips (counting the closing credits crawl), with season 6 being the only season with 6 bonus clips, and the 40th anniversary set had 3 clips for seasons 6 and 9 (well, you could say that season 9 had 4 clips, since it's technically two hawaii clips, but three chapter stops) and only 1 for the other seasons. Volume 1 had an uneven mix of clips for each season, but season 3 had the most, and on the 40th anniversary set season 3 got the least amount of clips, while both volume 1 and the 40th anniversary set seemed to be a little more even with the amount of clips per season. And on the 40th anniversary set seasons 11-14 had 4-6 clips per season, with season 15 having only two. And this set has the least amount of bonus clips.

    Hmm, I'm starting to think, maybe next time all of the bonus clips should be on disc 2, instead of spreading them among discs.

    Noticed that this time around, the trademark credit for Kermit only appears at the end of the episodes that actually have Kermit. Previous volumes included that credit on all episodes, even ones that didn't. I also find it weird that they had to blur Kermit's face from Caroll's shirt in the behind-the-scenes footage, since he is present on this set (Kermit's face wasn't blurred in behind-the-scenes footage on the 40th anniversary set, while other Muppet images were).
  10. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I've only watched one full episode, but I did watch all the bonuses. Here's some initial thoughts:
    • It's a shame about the theme song, but it's not too jarring.
    • Is it me or is the contrast on all the material kinda dark? It looks better than the 40 Years DVD; most of the clips had a weird blue-ish tint to them.
    • It's also a shame that only five clips per season were picked, obviously for space reasons. It must've been hard for them to chose. Some clips were expected for inclusion and others we've seen to death, but I'm glad they somehow found room for rare bits like "Trash Outta Heaven" and "Snowflakes."
    • I was both hoping and not hoping "Born to Add" would make it to the DVD; I hoped so because it's a great bit, but I also thought that it was already out on the Spoof DVD so there's no reason to re-release it again as they are wont to do.
    • It's too bad they didn't get Caroll to do some commentary, but his interview was like a mini-one.
    • Glad we got behind-the-scenes footage not on the last DVD set.
    • Warren Wolf was quite a dull character; not much comedic potential between him and Nobel Price. Guess that's why he didn't stick.
    • Again, I'm glad "Honk Around the Clock" replaced Cab Calloway's pretty bland spoof. I don't care for the edits, but for me, the former is more entertaining than the latter.
    • Sonia's commentary was very nice; she definitely enjoyed watching the old show.
    • I didn't think about it until the MuppetMindset review, but there really isn't much Cookie Monster on this.
  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I think the picture looks just as great on this set as it did on the 40th anniversary set. the pictures look pretty bright here. Is the "weird blue-ish tint" you're referring to on this set or the 40th anniversary set? Because I haven't noticed it on either. Though on the 40th anniversary set I noticed the Super-Grover and Monsterpiece Theater logos looking very great, and on this set various blue title cards, backgrounds, and monsters have great blue colors (I've already mentioned Chariots of Fur looking better here than it does online, the blue looks especially beautiful).

    When it comes to various rare segments that I hadn't even heard of from the early 1980s that appear on this set and on the iTunes "Classic Sesame Street" releases I wonder why so many of them were so scarce. This was a time when more people were getting VCRs and able to record the show (though judging by what episodes have guides at Muppet Wiki it seems it started to become common for fans to record the show around seasons 17 or 18) and these rare ones didn't show up on anybody's tapes. And I'm referring to stuff that didn't really have anything that could be seen as "objectible" (and that didn't have characters who were dropped after a year). But then an answer came to me as to why these had to be so rare until now: So that those who paid for the DVDs and downloads could appreciate them better!

    And I must say, if there ever is an Oscar the Grouch spotlight video, Trash Outta Heaven should be included (but since this formerly-rare segment is on DVD it won't be a big deal if it isn't).

    I thought the character was good. I liked his deadpan reactions and how he was able to figure out early on that Dr. Nobel Price invented the microphone. And it seems he sort of tried to make Dr. Price look good after revealing the invention was already invented (by claiming that he "re-invented" the microphone). But he's no Kermit.

    When I read that there would be a volume 3 I looked over the episode guides and counted the number of segments with certain characters, and had noticed that the only Cookie Monster in the episodes were Monsterpiece Theater segments where he plays Alistair Cookie, and on this set we only got one where Cookie Monster is himself. Actually, Big Bird seems to be the most present Muppet on this set, and he's tied with Kermit as being in the most bonus clips (they're both in three). And if you want to count "Goodbye Mr. Hooper" as a bonus clip than he's in more than any other Muppet.

    I had hoped that this would have a Kermit and Grover segment. I know the teeth segment is from season 15 because Brian Meehl performed the dentist in that one, but I'm not too sure whether the Sunglasses Salesman/Hairpiece/Monster Fix-It Team segments are from the early or late 1980s (when I first saw them I thought they were from season 16 or later, then I started thinking they could be from earlier). But then the first two volumes have plenty of Kermit and Grover team-ups while only one Cookie Monster and Kermit team-up was on either of the previous volumes.
  12. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Both this set and the 40 Years DVDs, the clips look very dark for some reason. And it's not just a screen thing, it's definitely the clips themselves. It's not as bad on this set though. However, "Coconut Counting Man" looks awful.
  13. liss1979

    liss1979 Active Member

    Be honest...is this set worth buying?
  14. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Totally. Just because there's no theme doesn't mean it's a bad set. There's a great mix of excellent material, rare material and behind-the-scenes supplements.
  15. liss1979

    liss1979 Active Member

    Well, I'm gonna go try to find it here in town somewhere today
  16. liss1979

    liss1979 Active Member

    Oooh, I just found it for 20.99! That is way cheaper than Walmart!
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  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Well, I finally listened to the commentary (and therefore completing my viewing of everything on the disc), and it was a fun listen. For awhile I wondered if commentary would be limited since Sonia obviously wasn't invovled with the animation, films, or many of the Muppet inserts, but she did have plenty to say. It's great that she revealed the name of the voice-over for Osvaldo in this episode (can't remember the name though, but Muppet Wiki noted that in his first appearance an unknown performer did the voice). It was fun when she was repeating some of Little Jerry's phone puns, which I hadn't really noticed before. In fact until she repeated it I couldn't understand Little Jerry's "real live wire" line (and I don't quite get it), and funny when she remarked on Jerry's "you're gonna be the reciever of all my love" with "I'm not going to touch that one with an 8 foot pole" (I could see a phone pun and a dirty thought with that one).

    Looking over the booklet, I wonder if there were plans for three discs, or plans for more that didn't make the final cut. There is a section on celebrities from this era, mentioning and picturing celebrities who don't even appear on this set (even Cab Calloway is briefly mentioned), in contrast to the previous volumes booklets only mentioning celebrities who appeared in those sets. There's mention but no pictures of the Dingers, who don't appear in the episodes or bonus clips (in fact Sesame Street Unpaved also lumped the Honkers and Dingers together in the characters chapter without picturing the Dingers). It also seems a number of segments in the booklet wihtout appearing on the set.

    It's interesting people say that the music that plays when Big Bird and Madeline roller skate is replaced. Some said that the original music was a carnival version of the theme song, but as it appears on the 40 Years set I don't think it sounds very similar at all (and the clip as it appears on that set starts halfway through the roller skating scene).

    Why do I get the feeling that if we get volume 4 and it continues where this one left off that there'll be a bit of an Elmo focus? He'll probably be on the cover and the spine, and I can see Elmo being interviewed in the booklet and maybe a section on Kevin Clash like this one did on Martin Robinson.

    The only segments on this set that I noticed looking dark are Muppet segments from the early 1970s, such as Mumford's subtraction act and Simon Soundman buying a trumpet. When it comes to the first set the only segment that I feel had a terrible-looking darkness quality is Kermit News: Sleeping Beauty (and it looks the same way on the Silly Storytime release). I wonder if the brightness or darkness could look different depending on screens (so far I've only watched this on my laptop).
  18. liss1979

    liss1979 Active Member

    Okay, I just watched the bonus clips, and the Dr. Nobel Price walking stick sketch does not have Kermit in it...is this an edit, or what? It's like some wolf hosting the news. lol!
  19. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    It's not an edit. That was a character that debuted that season, Warren Wolf. I don't know what his purpose was, maybe to alternate with Kermit as a reporter when Jim wasn't available, but he clearly didn't last long.
  20. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    are the behind the scenes videos on the dvd available?

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