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Your Thoughts: The Street We Live On

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Phillip, Apr 4, 2004.

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What did you think of "The Street We Live On" special?

Poll closed Jul 3, 2004.
  1. I thought it was good

    38 vote(s)
    42.2%
  2. I was very disappointed

    52 vote(s)
    57.8%

  1. Dantecat

    Dantecat Active Member

    Great Special!!!! I liked it very very much. It was so amazing when I saw a very little bit of old-vintage skits. :) ;) :flirt: :cool: :excited:
  2. GeeBee

    GeeBee New Member

    I just saw it. The best I can say about it is, "nice try." Very little of it was about the old days. A lot more of the old days could be seen from the Noggin episodes than the few clips that they showed on this special. Grover was supposed to show Elmo the "Sesame Street he never knew" that was "before he was born." Yet, aside from the VERY brief scene of Mr. Hooper, all of the scenes were from Elmo's time. You can even see Elmo in the wedding of Maria and Luis. It didn't really make sense. I found it funny that when observing Miles' adoption, Grover said, "Gordon is still bald. Some things never change." I'm thinking, "Go back a little further in time, and everyone will see how much Gordon has changed. LOL Interesting that Gordon once again has a goatee beard, like he did on his first season there.

    On the positive side, they actually did show a clip of the original Gordon at the end (if you remember, that was a high point of debate on here). Of course, it was very quick as a clip to represent the first season and nothing was said about it. David got just a little air time. As usual, his name was never spoken. It was also kind of interesting to see an extended version of "Dance Myself To Sleep" with celebrities, although it did not come close to matching the magic of "Put Down The Ducky" in its extended version.

    I guess it was okay for what it was worth, but it could have been so much more.
  3. Baughdie Howes

    Baughdie Howes New Member

    Clearly, I'm not the only one who feels let-down and lied-to

    "L" is for "LIE" and for "LET DOWN".
    "R" is for "RIP OFF".
    "F" is for "FALSE ADVERTISING".

    I was thoroughly LET DOWN, RIPPED OFF and sucked in by the FALSE ADVERTISING of the 35th Anniversary "Sesame Street" special. "35 years in the making"? HA!

    The previous anniversary specials have delivered what they promised: true retrospectives and commemmorations of the history of the show. This latest one was nothing more than a typical episode, with the occasional old clip thrown in whenever they felt all the old alumni would be feeling so alienated they'd switch off. Clearly, this special was aimed solely at creating something they could release on home video, which the rugrats who currently scream for Elmo would demand their parents purchase for them.

    Why else would they have wasted so much time on segments which make up most of the content of the episodes which currently air every day on PBS? And why else would they have hung the whole thing on Elmo's World?

    Oscar was right when he called him "the little red menace". And putting his creator in charge of the anniversary special was a monumentally stupid move, because it would mean that the whole thing would revolve around him, instead of all the other people who were and are involved with the show. Tacking on that final retrospective of clips, with no regard for the ACTUAL year in which a particular segment was created, was yet another half-***** attempt to placate the millions of us who grew up in the years before the little red menace took over the whole thing.

    The 35th Anniversary special was typical of what's wrong with "Sesame Street". Sesame Workshop is perfectly happy to take the millions of dollars it gets in sponsorships and merchandising, but not to spend it on anything which cannot lead directly to more merchandising cash. The show now has a much smaller cast, a small cluster group of Muppets (which centre on that little red menace who brings in so many merchandising dollars for them), the same few segments aired every day (most of which were created in the past 5 years, so they don't have to pay residuals to all those people who created the earlier segments).

    To top it all off, they don't even create new episodes every year any more! The same handful of episodes have been airing on PBS for TWO YEARS now!

    The thing that bothers me the most is that they LIED to us. If you're going to promote something as a 35th Anniversary special, do NOT then deliver a standard episode, with a handful of old clips tossed in to try to appease the millions of us who grew up with the show.

    I am thoroughly disgusted and let down. They LIED to us! I can't say it often enough or strongly enough. I don't think I'll be the only one who will be boycotting their products from now on. Clearly, they don't deserve our support, because all they care about is making money.
  4. McFraggle

    McFraggle Active Member

    There could have been more about the old days, but I did like the clips at the end of all the old shows through the years.
  5. GeeBee

    GeeBee New Member

    I agree with you. I was trying to be a little positive about it, but it really did not have much to recommend it. One reason I'm not too upset is because I really didn't expect that much; I know how Sesame Workshop operates and if it would have truly been a real tribute to the old days, I would have been very surprised.
  6. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    right on booo sesmae workshop bbbbbbb disny booo tto them i want the old days back.
  7. ssetta

    ssetta Active Member

    I think I do agree that it could have had more old clips, like "Count It Higher", for one example. But the fact that they made an effort to do this special does prove that the people at Sesame Workshop know that there is a market out there for classic Sesame Street fans like us. :)
  8. Baughdie Howes

    Baughdie Howes New Member

    Funny, they managed it really well in the past. The 20th and 25th Anniversary shows were excellent. I remember it was really something to see Jon-Jon all grown up and sporting an Air Force uniform.

    What's happened to him since then? What's happened to some of the other original children on the show? What's happened to Linda and Olivia and Ruthie? I know David isn't spoken of at all; that's pretty much a given. But what of the others?

    The thing that hurts the most, apart from their lying to us to get us to watch this latest special, is that Sesame Workshop doesn't seem to want to acknowledge all those people from the show's past...other than with a half-***** "We wish to thank all those people who worked on the show over the past 35 years" credit at the very end of the credit roll.

    I realize they wanted to reinvent the show a few years ago, to take into account that most of their core viewing audience now already knows its basic alphabet and number skills, but turning their backs on all that went before is NOT the way to do it!
  9. drmusic_99

    drmusic_99 New Member

    My expectations were low, and the show only slightly exceeded them. (It was a nice surprise to see "Mahna-Mahna" at the end, even if stupid WTVS DID run a voice-over over it.) But I almost fell over when I saw this:

    During the Baker #10 bit, when they showed the 10 wind-up toys... one of them was Pinocchio, from the old Rankin-Bass series, "The New Adventures of Pinocchio"! In fact, that very toy is pictured in the book, "The Enchanted World of Rankin-Bass."

    I'd also just like to observe that Gordon with a goatee means that for the very first time, the Gordon on the show resembles the Gordon that came with my Fisher-Price Play Family Sesame Street.
  10. Baughdie Howes

    Baughdie Howes New Member

    P is for Pinocchio and for Pest...



    So I'm not the only one who noticed this!

    I remember watching that old Rankin-Bass "Pinocchio" series when I was a really little kid. That old toy is worth a fortune today, because it's such a good likeness that it's almost identical to the original Animagic character used in the series.

    Given how antsy Sesame Workshop is about displaying characters it doesn't own, I wonder what would happen if Rankin-Bass (which is still operational, according to www.rankinbass.com) were to send them a nice letter, asking for a royalty and for a "Pinocchio character toy is copyright Rankin-Bass" credit in all the home video releases of the special...
  11. Infinity Sirius

    Infinity Sirius New Member

  12. GeeBee

    GeeBee New Member

    Well, Roscoe Orman's Gordon originally had a goatee when he started on the show and that's what the Fisher Price Little Person was based on. Now, once again, the Little Person is an accurate representation. I'm so glad you brought that up. Are you a toy collector? I am and I particularly love the Fisher Price Little People. I wonder if Roscoe Orman and Loretta Long realize that they have the honor of being two of the only three real people to have a vintage Fisher Price Little person modeled after them. (The third person is Will Lee as Mr. Hooper).
  13. John Steffens

    John Steffens New Member

    I haven't seen it yet, being taped at home.

    maybe they are saving the better/best stuff for the Muppets 50th anniv. special??
    Then again maybe not.
  14. drmusic_99

    drmusic_99 New Member

    Hmm, looking at your avatar, who woulda guessed? ;) Anyway, I'm not a collector per se, but I've checked into some of the F-P websites that are out there. I can tell you that set was easily my favorite toy -- I would use the figures to act out the show as it aired, especially the Bert and Ernie bits. My mother's saved that set and some of my other old toys. But I honestly don't remember Roscoe Orman ever having a goatee. My memory fails me, I guess.

    EDIT: I should also point out how cheesed off I always was that there was no Bob (although a generic Little People dad could stand in in a pinch.)
  15. Convincing John

    Convincing John Well-Known Member

    Stands up and applauds

    As C-3PO would say "I heartily agree with you, sir." I loved the 20th Anniversary special with Bill Cosby. That was a special! When I watched the 35th special, I thought they had put in the wrong tape instead of the "special". I can't stand Elmo! Look, I'm sorry, but Sesame Street just isn't Sesame Street anymore...at least to me.

    I don't know how the rest of you feel, but when I think of looking back over the years of Sesame Street, I think of skits that I, and that many of us, grew up with, which have been replaced by...(sigh) Elmo.

    Look, Sesame Street to me is old Joe Raposo songs, Mr. Hooper serving birdseed milkshakes and the old tire swing with the old number posters on the green doors (where Gina's vet's office is now). I think of the old Fix-it Shop (what's this Mail-it Shop? Maria and Luis just don't look right without tools and toasters). I think of the yellow/black, well worn diamond pattern of Hooper's Store. I think of a street inhabited by all sorts of creatures and people living together, with none of them hogging the spotlight for themselves (unlike...)

    Thousands of clips, old clips, run through my head when I think "Sesame Street". I miss the segments I loved as a kid, like the Painter (Paul Benedict), the Ballad of Casey McPhee, (Cookie Monster's train) and any Ernie and Bert sketch from the 70's or 80's. These were what we remembered as kids...and it's a shame that it's all been replaced by such a...well...watered down version with a single, screeching character that gives parents headaches, but remains "tickled", nonetheless.

    I wish that there were some way that :sympathy: could return to the show (after all, :sympathy: and :) created Sesame Street). Which would you rather see: Rowlf tickling the ivories in the tire swing yard and singing an old Raposo classic that the kids could still enjoy and dance to...or would you rather see a poorly animated, scribbled background with Elmo screeching the same word over and over again to the tune of "Jingle Bells?"

    How can we make things more tolerable for parents? Since Rowlf belongs to Disney now, we can't have him on SS. Let's see, how about each Elmo video, DVD or toy could come with a coupon for Advil or Tylenol with a groaning :grouchy: on the front?

    Sigh...I'm glad they had Sesame Unpaved...for a while anyway...sigh. Until then, we're stuck alongside Bert, asking how we can leave Elmo's World. I know just how Bert feels.

    Convincing John
  16. Baughdie Howes

    Baughdie Howes New Member

    Who's David???

    (Give me strength...)

    (This is why we need more access to the early episodes of "Sesame Street"...)

    "David" was a young, hip African-American man, who appeared on the show from 1969 to 1989. At first, he was Maria's love interest, and you can see them snuggling on the subway after the ice rink segment at the beginning of the "Christmas Eve on Sesame Street" special. This was before she fell in love with Luis, of course!

    David was in a lot of the early film segments, as were the other human cast members. One of his recurring characters in these segments was "Same Sound Brown", who loved to rhyme. David worked in Mr. Hooper's store, and inherited the business after Mr. Hooper's death.

    A few years later, David mysteriously disappeared from the show, and I can't recall the explanation that was given for his leaving Sesame Street. Come to think of it, I don't think they said anything at all.

    However, I recall hearing rumours that in real life, Northern Calloway, who played the character, was battling a serious drug problem and died of an overdose. In fact, he was battling cancer, and he succumbed to it in 1990.

    I suspect that he isn't mentioned in retrospectives because the show's producers felt it might frighten young children to learn that such a young person--someone the same age as their parents, really--could die. Or maybe they felt that they'd already dealt with the subject of death with Mr. Hooper, and that they either didn't feel the need to deal with it again, or that it would be too traumatic to raise the subject again.

    David appears in some of the segments of the 25th and 30th anniversary specials, though, and tonight's 35th Anniversary special contains a brief glimpse of him, in the clips at the very end. The "1974" clip shows an African-American man and woman, singing at the checkerboard newspaper counter of Hooper's Store. The man is David, and the woman is Olivia. She was Gordon's sister, and she was brought onto the show to show children the kind of relationship that adult siblings have.

    Northern Calloway did voice work too, and you can hear him in the English-language dub of the original French movie "La Cage Aux Folles". He does the voice of Jacob, the "Nubian Maid" to the film's central characters, Georges and Albin (the original version of the character later played by Hank Azaria in "The Birdcage"). It's a deliciously over-the-top performance, which is definitely not for the kiddies!
  17. maurakl

    maurakl New Member

    What a let down!

    I was thoroughly let down. It was such a disappointment. One good thing is that my children got to see some good Sesame Street when they were young and didn't have to grow up with this current style. Yuck! I too, am finding Elmo very annoying and I absolutely hate the computer animation junk with the Elmo's World and it appears much of Sesame Street. I am not as big a fan as most of you, but I sure do hope to get my hands on some DVD's of the older Sesame Street stuff, even Unpaved. This new style is just not right. The last few minutes were the only thing that made it even remotely worth the tape I put it on. The other part I liked was the old Ernie and Bert skit.
  18. duderguy

    duderguy New Member

    One must wonder...in 20 years from now(if SS is still on the air)...If some kid from todays generation will be an adult and complaining about the 55th aniversary special not containing enough classic skits of what they will refer to as "the good ol' elmos world and journey to Ernie skits. :o

    We miss what we grew up with-we know that to be "our sesmaee street." The current skits are what is known as sesamee street to a new generation of kids. As sad as it may seem this is what our street has become.

    THE DUDE
    Matt
  19. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    We pay for it

    Well you know some of us really do help pay for SS to be on the air. There must be somthing we can do. I will agree that if that is the way the show really goes then i would be sadly bord with it. i did see some clips of older shows i wanted to see that i may have missed, want born yet or was to busy. The thing that worked the most was Big Bird and Oscar. you could get so much emothon out of both of them that it was very good and they could learn and handdel things better then are little red bunndle of agrafation elmo. Carol Spinny is a wonderfull person if you havent read his book i incourage you to, I truly belive that he could really help SS. Yes i really think Carol and Frank Oz and wonderfull and very preety Gabby could help the show heck im 21 and she was born a few years after me so i know she got to be getting close to probly 14 i thnk that if they wanted to they could really make it more famly oritnted. Thats what this counrty and world need. i know haveing Gabby would draw the teens into waching. and maybe bring Pepe to SS to. more viraity not just Elmo. cant we as people protest. i think Jim would be rolling over in his grave he he knew how out of hand elmo has goten.
  20. OK, that whole thing was really un-Sesame Streetish. Even the SS trivia game on the CTW site testifies that Elmo was never an original character, and as much as I love Kevin and admire his tallent, I hate the living daylights out of Elmo. (BTW, in my opinion :rolleyes: is becoming the Elmo of the Muppet world, so I really don't like the idea of him coming to SS, but that's just me)

    I remember at the end of the special when Elmo says, "Elmo has something he wants to tell everybody" desperately trying to influence the little red rascal from my position in front of the TV to say "Elmo's leaving Sesame Street." But it looks like the little dickens is sticking around...

    Aside from the whole Elmo thing (which doesn't leave much, seeing as half the special was eaten up by the routine piddly segments of Elmo's World, such as the comptuer and drawer screwing around), I loved the old Bert and Ernie sketch. Hopefully that'll re-kindle some dying embers. Also, the whole retro TV thing at the end was great, but would have been SO MUCH BETTER if they'd shown the entire segments. Today's children are missing out on some classic entertainment.

    So I've got an idea. How about we all send in crayon-scrawled letters to CTW, in child-like hand writing, stating that we wonder why we never saw any of those other puppet skits. They can't pass up innocent little questions like that, huh? Sound good?


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