It's too late and my eyes are too heavy to comment on all of these things directly, but I have really loved reading this conversation, you guys. Everyone makes valid points, no one is claiming one truth - everyone just cares about this so much, and has something to say about why they care. One thing I will say - the Muppets are not characters. The Muppets are living, breathing entities. They can't be drawn the way the audience has come to know them, like Mickey or Donald or Goofy - they can only be themselves, and they, like human beings, have changed over time and will continue to change. It's good to remember that, as that happens, there is a very large group of passionate, intelligent people who will always love them at their best and their worst. Like you do when you love someone.