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2011 Muppet Movie plot officially announced

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by theprawncracker, Dec 9, 2010.

  1. Muppet Man

    Muppet Man New Member

    Will Muppets Tonight muppets be in this movie?

    Does anyone know whether this movie will be about classic Muppet Show muppets only or will it contain characters such as Pepe, Johnny and Sal? Personally, I hope it's classic muppets only.
     
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The problem with the Halloween special is thus....

    It was canned a couple years ago because it didn't have enough development time. It was canned this year in anticipation of filming this project, even though it actually started filming recently... I'd tend to think the puppeteers and everyone else involved would like a nice rest up before a big movie anyway.

    However, for the next year, the Halloween special should indeed get filmed,again, those involved need some rest after that... and hopefully filming that won't run so concurrently with filming Sesame Street. Not only would it be a nice little reminder of the property, but it's been 2 years since a major TV project. If nothing else, more people who wouldn't pay to see them in the theaters would at least be inclined to watch them for free on television... maybe generally reminding them how fun they were, coaxing them into theaters... or at least waiting till the DVD.

    But they're not really things you could take kids to without them squirming in the seats. Those are for older audiences that would be able to pay attention to a single film for that long. As it stands, when they rereleased Toy Story 1 and 2 to theaters, they added a 10 minute recess inbetween the films. And for those who wanted to stay in their seats (though, when they say "use this time to use the bathroom," you kinda have to) they had some rare footage shown on screen.
     
  3. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Nice to see an official synopsis for this new Muppets movie.
    And I guess I should preface this with saying that I generally believe in giving everything the benefit of the doubt and not prejudging it, and I don't intend to do that with this movie.
    Unless it's drastically out of character and incredibly, horribly vile (which I don't think it ever would be with The Muppets)- I'm going to see new Muppets productions- no question.
    However, I'm not totally enthused about this synopsis.
    It could be because I don't care that much for Jason Segel and Nick Stoller. But there are some things with this plotline that just doesn't sound all that new or exciting. For one thing, if we're following any kind of continuity at all, "It's A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie" established the Muppet Theater as an historical landmark. What happened to that? If this is the case, how would someone be able to raze it to dig for oil that's discovered there?
    And why would The Muppets all have gone their separate ways? Are they no longer performing together at the Muppet Theater?
    It sounds like a bit of a mesh of "The Muppets Take Manhattan" with "It's A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie" to some degree, and certainly some shades of "The Muppet Movie".
    I hope Walter is a funny addition, but I really don't think new Muppets are needed- I'd rather they just focus on the classic ones and I'm cool with them throwing in some characters from Muppets Tonight or even The Jim Henson Hour if they want to.
    I just don't think the idea of Walter as an obsessed Muppets fan is all that funny- except for the anachronism that he himself is in fact technically a "muppet".
    I also worry some that there may be a level of subversive humor in there that I don't care for- but I trust things will be kept clean and smooth (rather than edgy because I really get tired of that word to describe the Muppets all the time). Yes, the Muppets will have their jabs here and there and yes- I'm sure there may be some double entendres and puns and such- but I hope that will be tasteful. Some of the jokes in "The Muppets Wizard of Oz" particularly and in "It's A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie" for that matter got kinda risque.
    A Muppets Telethon could be funny- it's just that it seems all of this movie has been done in some fashion or another before.
    I do like the fact that Animal is an anger management clinic- that's funny. And the fact that Gonzo is in plumbing- that's a nice tie-in to "The Muppet Movie".
    But seriously- tell me this thing isn't really going to be called "The Muppets Movie". We're going to have a one letter difference from the first movie? You know that's going to get incredibly confusing and annoyingly confusing. "The Greatest Muppet Telethon Ever" actually wouldn't be too bad of a name for the movie. But it would be better to have something distinctive for the title- or at least a subtitle that it will inevitably wind up becoming better known by.
    Anyway, those are my concerns with the movie. Nonetheless, it's nice that it's being released at Thanksgiving next year and I will certainly be thankful to see another Muppet movie in theaters for the first time since 1999. And yes, I'll definitely be there to see it whatever the outcome. And yes, I hope my fears will be allayed and that it will turn out to be one of the best Muppet movies ever. I'm not saying this to be negative about the movie and I'm not trying to knock it- I'm just expressing my feelings on what's been revealed of it so far.
    But I'm definitely excited for more Muppets- Hey! A movie!:):D:halo:
     
  4. Barry Lee

    Barry Lee Active Member

    I believe it's just gonna be called, "The Muppets" similar to the re-franchising of such things as "The Smurfs" etc. But i love the plot, it'll be a nice re-introduction to the characters. :flirt:
     
  5. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    This is pretty cool I think it has a personal meaning to what really happend to Jason when he was working with Henson on his other movie. I'm kind of suprised that disney has let him kind of lossly base themselfs as an oil company. Brave move, and at the same time a wise one.
    I think by the start of the new year we should see some more new Muppet things come out maybe with all hope Season 4 of the Muppet Show. We have less then a year to wait we need a countdown till the big day im very happy!
     
  6. GonzoLeaper wrote:

    "I also worry some that there may be a level of subversive humor in there that I don't care for- but I trust things will be kept clean and smooth (rather than edgy because I really get tired of that word to describe the Muppets all the time). Yes, the Muppets will have their jabs here and there and yes- I'm sure there may be some double entendres and puns and such- but I hope that will be tasteful. Some of the jokes in "The Muppets Wizard of Oz" particularly and in "It's A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie" for that matter got kinda risque."

    I agree. And it's not a moral issue, it's a magic issue: the magic is lost when things veer towards an (unintentional) attitude of "they're only puppets: let's get some cheap laughs."

    The ideal for me would be Richard Pryor with :concern: in the Muppet Movie, where there was a nod to his style of humor, but also someting really beautiful: the encounter with the muppets bringing a performance out of him we would not have had otherwise, and I guess showing there was more to him than comedy.
     
  7. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I think they said Muppet Studios, not the Theater. Different coasts for different buildings.

    I would agree, but it occurred to me that it seems strange that the Muppets would require their Christmas show to have enough money to pay off Bitterman's payments (geez, are they annual?). My thing is, why must they go all out for one show to pay for this if they've been playing all year? Solution: They do the Theater gig part time.

    1. They all met and went to California to be "rich and famous". (TMM)
    2. They wanted to do Theater as well, and since Kermit lived on SST, he was able to get the crew into a university to study theater. (MTM)
    3. They use the Theater for special shows while also using Muppet Studios for other media stuff. However, when things are slow, they all get day jobs. (Most likely this movie, MTM, VMX)
    edit: Think about it. While they have to be guilt tripped into deferring their paychecks for a whole year, it actually makes absolutely no sense as they'd starve/be homeless/etc if they did that -- UNLESS they have other paying jobs they do.

    At least, that's my guess.

    Yes, but some Muppets (with a capital M) are celebrities while others are just whatnots/anythings. Walter is a muppet who fantasizes about working with the Muppets. See the difference? Look at this girl who was in Yahoo news for getting bullied about being a Star Wars fan. And then fans and crew alike started sending her stuff to make her feel better and show their support. Maybe Walter is like this girl: he feels outside the loop socially and attaches himself to the idea that if he were friends with celebrity versions of himself, he'd be "cool" too.
     
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I will say VMX was deliberately going at a very popular style of humor at the time, but I'd shudder to call it completely risque. Oz was just a grasp at straws...

    Nah, I'm sure they'll keep it as kid friendly as possible. I've seen much worse anyway.

    That goes into the fuzziness of trying to put together a Muppet Canon. There's no doubt there will be references to other Muppet Movies, but let's not kid ourselves. The ONLY time in a movie where the events of another movie have been referenced was VMX, and that was only a nod to Doc Hopper's fast food Frog Legs. I never felt MTM followed any story connected to TMM or GMC... The events of TMM left them supposedly big Hollywood stars... why would it be so hard to then go to Broadway, especially if all else failed, they still had their Hollywood movie career to fall back on? None of the movies directly follow each other (again, except VMX... but ONLY for the Doc Hopper connection). Though they will no doubt follow the actions of the first film, mentioning the studios as opposed to a theater.

    Again, I'm looking forward to this film... I just hope people don't realize it's the same as UHF's basic plot...
     
  9. zns

    zns Well-Known Member

    It just gets better and better. I am on the edge of my seat with this movie. :):):)
     
  10. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I get it ... but the plotholes are like those optical illusions where there's a broken triangle and your brain tries to fill in the gaps. :)
    It just makes better sense if the movie/tv gig is different from their theater gig. There's no way they can afford the basics of life if nothing's connected. And let's not forget there are issues with live performances that can be conveniently skipped over when taping it. Perhaps they do better in movies/tv because it's easier for them. While I enjoyed watching the Broadway version of the Lion King ... there are differences in what can be done on stage and on the screen. I liked some of the changes and sighed with disappointment with some of the others. Being a success at one thing doesn't exactly mean you'll be an automatic success at something else.
     
  11. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Can you balance there for nearly a year? Clearly some good clenching!

    bea:zany:{I apologize for lowering the tone}regard
     
  12. Rugby

    Rugby Member

    Disappointed they had to go the oil route. Bush hasn't been in office for over 2 years and the whole oil thing has become tiresome and cliche. Plus, the idea is so far-fetched. They won't let anybody drill for oil in the middle of no where, let alone under a theater in the city.

    I think they could have done much better. How about going with a plot like the theater is facing foreclosure due to some shady bankers? Or it is being taken by way of eminent domain to make room for a car dealership. Both realistic scenarios that can still be played up by character villains. Oh well. I hope the movie is good and not cheesy and hope Segal doesn't do full frontal in this one. :p
     
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    But VMX WAS the Bank foreclosure plot, and let's not forget, the cliche of an oil tycoon has been around since at least HOOVER was president. it's not some obvious political jab, but an homage to really really old plots like that. Besides, the whole coming together to save something is a maor cliche outright, but let's not forget the same could be said for TMM, GMC and MTM... all based on a wide variety of 1930's and 40's style cliched film. You have to admit, Jason DID his homework on that one.
     
  14. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    When i read the plot I did think it sounded very much like parts of VMX. Obviously it was quite some time ago when the Muppets weren't at their peak so I guess Disney are pretty sure that the mass public won't get the parallels, and anyway, this is a new start for the Muppets (i guess) and much more people will see this movie what with all the Disney marketing.

    I don't think it's as much "homework" as it just being there are only so many things you can do with the Muppets when you have the job of re-introducing them. From years gone by we know they put on shows in a theatre so you either tell a story about them in the theatre or you talk about how they formed, or in this case you do a spin on both. Sure you can go on to do movies where they are having an adventure in a completely new setting (i.e GMC) or have them take on completely different characters in some classic story retelling (MCC or MTI) but that doesn't do anything to introduce the core characters or the whole concept of the Muppets so i can see why he went with this idea.

    On the same note, i think different titles appeal to different target audiences so not sure which is best. "The Muppets" ... maybe not a great one for the hardcore fans, but a good one for the little ones just about to discover our Muppety pals. I think "greatest Muppet movie ever made" is very confusing for them as they haven't seen any of the others, but it's a great one for the fans and nostalgic adults who want to go see this as they loved the Muppets long ago and want to see the "rebirth" lol.
     
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Plus, the guy really didn't care for those story retelling stories, as was the thesis of this film. it really does seem like the only way to really get a movie down with these characters BEING themselves... though, you have to it admit, it does feel like they're following the first 3 films being classic showbiz cliches... TMM= Road movie, GMC= the "caper" film mashed with classic musical cinema, MTM= A Star is Born style plotline... this will be the "Let's put on a big show" plot. And yet, that is what VMX was sort of about, but then it fell into "A Wonderful Life" territory.

    This movie just can't get a good title, nor can any of us think of one. "Greatest Muppet movie of all time EVER" is both a very dated manner of speech, and it also insists upon itself. The Muppets sounds generic and forgettable, and frankly, I'm not too crazy about the next Pooh movie just being called Winnie the Pooh. So what else can you call it? The Muppet Movie as a title was based slightly off the fact their TV series was called The Muppet Show, but all the others seemed a bit more specific. Great Muppet Caper WAS a caper, MTM... they were in New York... From Space? Yeah, that one was pretty self explanatory... even VMX had Christmas in the title.
     
  16. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    How about: "Finding The Muppets" or "The Search for the Muppets" or "The Great Muppet Discovery" or "What a Muppet!"

    Sidenote: I have yet to meet one person in the UK whose eyes light up or who show any interest whatsoever when I announce that there is a new Muppet film coming.
     
  17. King Prawn

    King Prawn New Member

    You havn't met me then :):D:cool:
     
  18. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I still maintain "Hey, A Movie! (Yeah, It's Gonna Be Terrific)" is by far the best idea for a title, LOL.
     
  19. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I actually like, "The return of the Muppets" but it sounds a little star-wars-ish. Maybe they could name the movie whatever they name the telefone?

    "The Muppet Theatre Fund"
     
  20. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    So if they did a Muppet road trip move in Australia they could call it "The Muppets Down Under" which would be quite funny in puppetry terms lol

    Yeah i totally see all the original 3 Muppet movies were all old classic showbiz cliches. Many of the writers of those were really into all that. It worked well.
     


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