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2011 Muppet Movie plot officially announced

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by theprawncracker, Dec 9, 2010.

  1. The Theater as a National Landmark probably shouldn't be taken too closely to heart, though. If there's one thing the Muppets do well it's altering canon whenever they need to.

    I think the last thing Disney would want to do is make ANY reference to Muppets Tonight. The whole reason we're getting this movie is to jump-start the franchise. It's called 'The Muppets.' We're basically starting at square 1, here.

    I don't mean this to criticize... I just think we should be prepared for it to be an gateway film for little kids and their parents (who probably watched The Muppet Show when THEY were kids). It will probably be a REALLY fun movie, but nothing we haven't seen before in one way or another.

    We'll see bits and pieces of old films - revisiting the past while getting everyone excited for the future.
  2. dwmckim Well-Known Member

    If you compared VMX and "The Muppets"'s simplified one-sentence summaries, they may seem similar, but trust me - they really will be two very different projects. It won't be VMX II. You probably won't even really think of VMX when you watch it.

    If anything, parts of it may remind you more of MTM due to the "finding where the split up Muppets have scattered off to" element but they're still done very differently. One of the things i didn't like as much about MTM was that too much of the middle really seemed too Kermit/Piggy with Rizzo-heavy. The others made cameos in their Fraggle-like postcard segments and you really only got a good ensemble at the beginning and the end (and even then, it was a very streamlined group). From what i can tell, "TM" won't suffer this problem - very good ensemble piece (though the one weak spot might be the beginning which was essentially all Gary/Mary/Walter for the first 10-15 minutes in an earlier draft...but i'm hoping that got fixed with later rewrites.)
  3. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Personally, I don't know if keeping the villain an oil tycoon was such a great idea. The way things are going, the public will say "GAH! Forget their movie studio! Drill right through them so gas can temporarily be 5 cents less a gallon!" Really, we're going to hear an AWFUL lot of that.

    To me the ideal villain SHOULD have been a crooked real estate developer/sales man or banker... but that was done in VMX.
  4. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    There's a few things I've noticed that I'm wondering (and I'm okay with spoilers, for those of you h=who have seen a draft of the script). Many articles mention that the movie shows what Kermit, Piggy, Fozzie, Gonzo, and Animal have been up to, and they are the only ones on the poster. I hope we get to see what other characters are up to as well. I assume Camilla is still with Gonzo when he's seperated from the group, and hopefully Animal is still with The Electric Mayhem (or at least Floyd), and presumably Foo-Foo would be with Miss Piggy (and Robin with Kermit).

    But I wonder how much focus will be on reuniting the Muppets (I think one of the script reviews I read said it was only half the movie), and what they will actually do to get everybody reunited. Will there be some sort of quick montage after the important characters are found? Will there be a "sometime later..."-type caption?
  5. Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I hope they keep the gag of Rowlf working at a Kinko's run by cats. That idea sound so hilarious
  6. Gonzo14 Active Member

    Random Question about the Movie

    On Muppet Wiki, they List the muppets who are going to be in the movie (presumably based on who's been seen in the trailers)

    Anyways, Clifford is in that list, but I haven't seen him in any trailers, does anyone know if he's in it? I hope he is, I really like him (I'm also wondering about Johnny Fiamma and Sal)
  7. TSSD Active Member

    Clifford's in it. Kevin Clash told the Muppet Mindset when they interviewed him about "Being Elmo". As for Johnny and Sal, hopefully, but unlikely.
  8. Gonzo14 Active Member

    Awesome!

    I'm not necessarily a huge Johnny/Sal fan, but I hope their in it, just for the reason that it looks like sooo many characters are in it, that hopefully this can be a movie without any "oh yeah, but (this character) wasn't in it" Seems like a pretty complete cast so far
  9. scottishpiggy Member

    my problem with this, is that you state "kids movie" - while i appreciate its probably seen as that, i hope that doesnt mean all the adult humour they had in the original movies is gone. The bad thing about new muppet movies is that they are TOO kidified. i was under the impression that most muppet fans were adults. (in the old days as it were you had people like parkinson FLIRTING with miss piggy - that aint a kids show) Ok, yes, ok because of how they are made they are going to be seen as childish, but to be fair im not sure many kids even know who the muppets are these days. (well in the UK anyway). and as for it needing 2 hours because of the script and events - no need. Look at how much they crammed into GMC. I dont think its about length, its about quality. Like it or not, i guess Ill just have to accept that muppets are now strictly for kids, and correct me if im wrong, but i thought that was what sesame street was for. Im happy to be a big kid. Im not happy with condesending movies that forget the fans now in their late 20s up.
  10. scottishpiggy Member

    yeah bit of a plot point there - in the TV christmas movie Pepe lists it as a historical landmark so the bank cant take it away from them.

    Although I have heard that this movie is supposed to follow on from the original movies - erego that event never happened or at least hasnt yet?
  11. outerelf Active Member

    I believe it was stated in some interview that it takes place as if the Muppet Theater/the Muppets themselves haven't been around since Jim Henson died.
    scottishpiggy likes this.
  12. scottishpiggy Member

    thanks for confirming, that is good to hear, only drawback - it builds up my hopes somewhat that this will match the originals, and thats some pretty big shoes to fill :-/
  13. outerelf Active Member

    Well, continuity has always been a loose thing in the different muppet shows. The first three movies were 'How they met' movies, along with a spinoff childhood story in Muppet Babies.

    But you are right about something; it does bring your hopes up, but from the looks of it, it will be great. We're promised dark moments, funny moments, muppet moments, and even if it doesn't match the originals, it can still be fun I think.
  14. Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Loose? It doesn't exist is more like it. Nor does it need be. Though, to be fair, VMX DID reference The Muppet Movie, and I wouldn't be surprised if this mentions any of the other movies. But troop of actors is basically all that fits. I choose to ignore the Muppet Kids book series. Scooter not being able to read? Gonzo having parents? No... just...just no.

    As far as continuity goes, TMM doesn't fit in with any movie except VMX, GMC doesn't fit in anywhere, and they state that it IS a movie and they're playing characters... MTM doesn't fit in with anything but Muppet babies, if the entire series plays as a what if... nothing fits in with the show except VMX, unless you take Kermit's "This is approximately how it happened" line in TMM. And MFS and revelations that Gonzo was an alien have been disavowed.
  15. scottishpiggy Member

    i think that was the whole point of kermits line, as Jim probably knew he wanted to make more. :p

    And Gonzo being an alien - oh how i mourned that - Jim was asked if he was an alien years back in an interview, and he said "hes a whatever". I will never forgive disney for that movie. Just trying to cash in on muppets tonite, which again, I hated. Replacing kermit with clifford? puh-lease. :grr:
  16. Duke Remington Active Member

    Correction: Disney did not make "Muppets from Space". Columbia Pictures did.
  17. scottishpiggy Member

    apologies, didnt really realise this although didnt disney own the muppets at this stage? r Also - do you actually work for disney? every time i say something that is negative about disney you jump all over me.
    Oh and FYI nothing you will say will change my opinion on what disney has done to the muppets,. Ive followed them my whole 29 years and have seen the quality of movies and/or merchandise go down the drain.
    Irrelevant to that howeever, is the fact that jim clearly stated gonzo was a whatever not an alien.
    Im not against disney as a whole - im against them using the muppets purely for profit and not giving a toss about fans. As they say in the simpsons movie : "im a mascot of an evil cooperparation"
    No doubt youll correct that too though.
  18. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I just finished re-watching The Muppet Movie, and can already see a lot of cool connections from that movie to this one. Gonzo's plumbing, for example (I did not realize before that he wore that cute tap-hat for almost the entire movie), Miss Piggy's ring, the Rich and Famous contract, etc.

    It got me all excited and goosebumpy to see the new movie!

    I can't wait to see them OUTSIDE of a studio and spending time on songs (without constant comic interruptions) again.
  19. Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    Disney didn't own them yet..this was the last theatrical Movie to come out before Disney bought them in 04

    dont think to hard on Duke....which im sure you dont like most of us pass by, he seems to go after anyone who says the slightest negative comment on anything Disney, its kinda bad Trolling

    this is my part of have to disagree with because Disney has shown some instances that they do cater to the fans other wise we wouldn't have this movie, and would only have the occasional tv guest appearance and Muppet vision 3D plus at the end of the day no matter who owns them its all about the profit that's what company's do
  20. scottishpiggy Member

    ok, i accept that disney cater to fans in the sense of muppet vision 3D , I guess its more disspointment than anythng at how much care used to go into it, matched with how much care there is now. :skeptical:

    For example, I first visited muppet 3d when I was 12. I got a miss piggy, which was amazing quality
    I visted again at 14, and got a bean bunny
    On both these occasions the shop at the back of muppet vision 3d was entirely muppet stock. Videos of everthing ( like a tale of a bunny rabbits picnic, to muppet babies) loads of tshirts (this was when the muppets were doing film poster paradies) and it was all set in the happiness hotel backdrop.

    When I went back at 25, the illusion was shattered. What was once a purely muppet store, was now mainly mickey, with a few shaudily made muppet toys that didnt look like the quailty id had previously. The clothes were all kiddie size - not an adult shirt made. All toys were made for preschoolers or the very young. :eek:

    I went back again at 27, where i got my wonderful rug, and some adult tshirts had come back out, but by this point it was pretty unrecognisible from every other mickey mouse shop in the park and the muppet produce was only on 3 shelves in a huge expanded store. However, other products - such as my kermit handbag, (or purse) were so badly made that the handles broke off aroung 7 days after purchasing (convieniently enough AFTER id left the US) :grouchy:

    Had I not had the very good fortune of visiting back when I was 12, I probably wouldnt feel as strongly.

    And again, the disney store in the UK has a lot to blame too. I was thrilled to hear muppet merch was on the go, but, when I actually saw it - the quality was beyond poor. Kermits all mushed up, piggys with huge noses - they looked like knock offs!

    I guess its just because all the toys I grew up with were fisher price / henson were such amazing quality that im disillusioned.

    Im glad disney are bringing them back, BUT lets not forget this was not disneys idea. Segel took it to disney for the green light. (or am I wrong? not too sure lol)

    And I know all people go looking for profit, but somehow I just seem to miss that when it comes to Jim - he was driven by passion, not profit. Yes we all need money, but I couldnt ever see him being as a tycoon of anyway.

    I guess its just down to personal taste, but i could post some picks of quality then vs now that might help.

    And another thing - muppets holding company still release quality products (such as my addidas miss piggy trainers which I sadly have only recently lost as the age and smell meant I couldnt keep them) so i dont understand why disney just make poor quality products. Especially when disney owned things - like mickey, toy story etc have such great quality.

    It gives the impression that the muppets are kinda an afterthought, and that breaks my little muppet daft heart.

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