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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by theprawncracker, Dec 9, 2010.
Cartoon/classic character marriage is a tricky thing. Unless characters were already married or introduced as a married couple, they usually never are. Maybe in a fantasy sequence, non-canonical project... but never for realz.
Like Mickey and Minnie... they've been an unmarried couple since the 30's, and there's no connecting them together now. Other than Mickey's Christmas Carol, they never even played a married couple. The the strange case of Popeye and Olive... though there are some skits where they were about to get married or something, they never officially were.... then came a strange comic book, barely licensed in which they were married, but it was disavowed by the copyright holders AND Popeye's fan base... EVEN THOUGH 10 years earlier there was a cartoon series where they WERE married and had a kid. of course, EVERYONE disavows that.
On the one hand, Kermit and Piggy being married leads to the end of the caustic relationship, but on the other hand, I don't know if I want to see them completely lovey dovey or in some sort of dysfunctional marriage.
Another way to end the caustic relationship is to use the jokes they used to use that weren't so insulting.
Many tv shows these days look like movies, actually.
I've recently been catching up on "24", and it definitely has a cinematic look to it in terms of cinematography, pacing, etc.
I encourage everybody to wait for this weekend's ComicCon before speculating on the marketing plan and what they're letting drip out until their blitz!
They've done nothing wrong yet and nobody's landed. I don't have any news on the happenings except the reports that the Muppets were supposed to have a panel this year. That's still happening, right? There's nothing more obnoxious in film promotion than early over-saturation.
Look at it like this. Pirates, Cars and Pooh are out. The majority of Disney's attention for the rest of the year will now go to the Muppets! It's coming. Most people know it. That's perfectly on track for now.
It's not like the mainstream public is unaware of the "Muppets" movie.
Yeah...that one actually DOES poke holes in my theory...but SHHH you!
(just kidding ; ) )
I thought Disney wasnt showing much at Comic Con, and instead was waiting for D23(even tho nothing has been announced for the expo with a month to go)
I understand why they didnt do much merch for Up, given Wall E stuff didnt sell well. Then again, robots arent very cuddly.
People are free to believe what they want...but there is simply no established canon that unifies Muppet tv shows, specials and films. It's not like Star Wars. The only real "canon" is when you see Gonzo, Pepe, Kermit, etc on a talk show. Though, is there "canon" with Disney toons or WB Looney Tunes? There is with Pooh, sure. But Disney toons and Looney Tunes seem to exist only in separate shorts and films.
Jason Segel And The Muppets To Be At Comic-Con 2011Comic-Con starts tomorrow and lasts through Sunday. Let's wait and see about the buzz before we second guess what hasn't happened yet. I'd rather talk in anticipation about what exactly they'll be doing at Comic-Con! It's a perfect time to get the ball rolling.
125 days until Muppet domination!
EDIT: Muppets & All Disney Possible No-Show for Comic-Con
According to this, Disney might hold off on all Comic-Con promotions until their own D23 convention.
I'm disappointed and think it's a bit of a misstep because D23 gets only Disney fans while SDCC get all fans. I hope they at least have something, but it could be another full month before the beginning of Muppet Domination.
That doesn't mean they won't do something at SDCC. Let's hope we get a peek at some licensed products. That's entirely possible and probable. Comic-Con is also known for it's surprises. Let's hope for some Muppety goodness.
Judging by some of the Muppet interviews of recent years, I'd hope not.
Wall*E Stuff near me was impossible to find outside of the Disney store, but then again, Target was the only place that didn't carry them. The stuff sold, but not extremely solid, unless they just ordered WAAAAAY too much Wall*e stuff. I only really got the Pez dispensers for that one.
But Ratatouille was far worse. They cleared out the ENTIRE line of Rat toys before it even came to video. I mean, the robots are one thing... kids like robots almost as much as they like toy cars... but gourmet rats? That's only something hardcore collectors of the movie would buy. I had to make due with 2 candy figures and a plush of the dead chef.
That is very much a huge mistake. ESPECIALLY since it was announced by Jason himself that they were. Or at least expressing interest in doing such.
But it also seems they're holding out on a more comic geek friendly Avengers movie unveiling, so I don't know what to say about that. I was excepting something like that, though... we got word Karen and Red would return weeks ago, and you'd think we'd hear word on exactly who's coming from the Muppets by now. I'd hope that Jason would make a last minute plea, but time's running out. They NEED to unveil this thing soon. And it's not like anyone doesn't know about it already.
According to Rotten Tomatoes, "The Muppets" finally has an approximate running time of 2 hours. Seems a little long for a Muppet movie, but I won't complain! That's all tentative, of course. It still lists Charles Grodin as an actor appearing in the picture. For some reason I think they did find a way of sticking him in the movie. Let's hope.
If it really is two hours, that's a good thing, mainly so that the story can take its time to develop and won't feel rushed. Heck, with the plot line, if it was just 90 minutes, it'd probably be all over the place.
I dunno if I really trust that. 2 hours seems a might long (not that I'm one to complain about that), but it might just scare off some families who want to take their kids to it. I mean, even Jason's bromantic comedies are 90.
Then again, Pooh's running time was just over an hour WITH cartoon special feature at the beginning, and it felt like it had a 45 minute run time.
Well, don't forget about credits. With how many cameos their cramming in, the list along could take several minutes. Kermit and the rest will probably show up as themselves in the opening credits, and it won't be until the end will we get the puppeteers names.
most of the time not always credits arnt included into running time just like trailers
Actually, I've seen numerous cases where credits do indeed count as running time, but then again, that's mostly in the case of home video.
Correct. From first title card to the end of the closing credits is what 99% of the time counts as running time. 2 hours seems too even a running length, but maybe there was an instruction from Disney to cut for time and not exceed two hours. I still think it's tentative, but I hope this is all because they got so much wonderful footage that Disney had to give them a cap.
I'm still very conflicted about a 2 hour Muppet movie.
On the one hand, a Muppet Movie that's 2 hours? Fans will love it. But a Family movie that's 2 hours that isn't a sweeping epic about Boy Wizards? That may just scare some away. If we want to see this film do well (leading to more Muppet projects and HOPEFULLY back release), we have to figure in that the general populous and more casual people wanting to see it too.
Needless to say, there's also the Toy Story toon as well, and that may just also count as run time. But that can't possibly be over 6 minutes long.
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