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Discussion in 'Muppet Replicas' started by BigDumbWookiee, Oct 26, 2005.
The only worry I have over any of this is folks photographing the characters in bad positions. Then again, that's already over the internet now anyhow, isn't it? So, nothing will change.
Maybe since these are higher priced folks will take better care of them?
Well if they don't Kevin. We'll show them who's boss of these furry characters with our fish........oh sorry I meant to say fist or did I mean fish? Oh well. Will show them something.
I think you're right on that last point. People who are going to shell out the money for these probably are going to treat them with some respect. If not, it's no different than what people can do with PhotoShop anyway.
EXACTLY what I was just thinking, right down to the word! AndyWan, are you reading my mind??
(Uh oh, better cover . . . ) Um, no.
Or, I could always just pull my rubber chicken out of retirement for a good thwackin!
Yeah, that's why I hem-hawed in that last thead of mine. What's to keep folks from doing what they already do anyhow? Price or not.
why do i feel this cheapens the muppets, beacuse seeing Kermit , or any other muppet that you are a fan of should be a special thing, be it at a live performance apperance, or on tv, or in a movie,or even in the occasionall museum it should be something special, that you personnaly expirience in the moment,
for a green piece of fleece, and foam, his is a living breathing entity, not a lightsaber, or mask ,or a prop gun, he has annimous, and by mass producing(yes i realize we are not talking about thousands of these) you are taking what should be a rare and memorable event and turning it into a another piece of pop culture dreck,
yes their are shoddy toys out there, but they are just that , toys, not "replicas", and when u see them u know they are toys,they are ment to be played with by little kids, or sit on a shelf in someones home or office as kitsch,
as far as this keeping the property alive, how is it doing that, this is something that only a well to do die hard fanboy is going to be able to afford, its doesnt further thier creative potential, and cements them as characters from a bygone era suitible only for consumption as relics of the past , and not the stars of tommorow that they could be.
I love how people that dont like a certain product instantly label it's fans as "fanboys". I absolutely agree with the idea that everyone should be able to state their opinions, no matter how different, and I certainly respect your view. And although I dont agree with it, I'm not going to berate people who don't agree with me. Sure, I'm going to defend a product when someone says it's "poor quality", when they more than likely have no experience with other products from that company, and certainly havent seen the piece on their own.
At the end of the day, even though we're referring to it as a replica, it's just a bigger, more expensive toy. It's a toy for bigger kids, meant to be posed and displayed, as kitsch, in your home, office, what have you.
And I believe (and its just an opinion) that stuff like this does help the longevity of muppets. Products like these appeal to an entirely different audience. Just like with Master Replica's Star Wars replicas, adult fans dont necessarily want a bunch of toys laying around, but have an endearing love for the license, and the replicas are their way of supporting that. This is the same thing. Not everyone wants Muppet toys, and not everyone has the time or talent to dedicate to true puppetry. Just like a painting or statue, this is something that allows fans to say "Hey, I love Muppets", without cluttering their house with toys, or stuffed animals. And if these take off, that means yet another product line supporting the Muppet cause. And the more money coming in from products means the better chances we'll continue to see Muppet movies or Muppets on TV.
Ravagefrackle......thanks for your explanation. While at first it seemed like you were bickering to bicker, you truly have a valid point. I agree with you 100%. How many of the Star Wars fans have life-sized Darth Vaders in their homes?? They may have lightsabers, etc., but like you said Kermit is the entity. Kermit stuffed animals are one thing, but a replica just doesn't make them seem as real. Thanks for your opinion!!
So, this is a doll, not a puppet? A puppet replica would be cool and at the same time cheapen it, but that prototype or actual cut from the line or whatever you wanna' call it doesn't look that impressive, just big. I have old plushes that look more like the real puppet then that, which is odd because I had a Master Replicas set of Wolverine claws, so I'm familiar with their work. I'm a little skeptical here, not about it's release, but about it's likeness.
Master Replicas has never produced Wolverine Claws, and actually haven't released any Marvel replicas yet. Cyclop's visor is coming next year, and will be their first. There have been Wolverine Claws produced, but Master Replicas has never made any. Are you sure you're not thinking of the claws produced by FactoryX?
The MR Kermit will be, for all intents and purposes, a poseable statue.
Hmmm... maybe it was... or was I duped? Perhaps a fraud? I've been hornswaggled! Thank you, BigDumbWookiee for allowing me to finally have the chance to say "hornswaggled."
Were they all "metal" (or at least lookalike metal), or were they part lookalike bone as well? I believe the all metal version is from FactoryX, and there was another version with a bone hand and metal claws from Diamond.
Metal, and sharp as anything too. I can even tell you where and when I got 'em too: Wizard World Philly, 2003. I really coulda' sworn they were MR... nuts.
my use of fanboys is not meant to be demeaning, since i am one as well, it is only a short hand, but like all things muppet related in the last few years, strong opinions will contiue to be forged on both sides.
it is certainly a product i do not plan on supporting.
Ravagefrackle - you've taken the words right out of my mouth. I fully agree with every one of your comments.
I cannot believe that Disney is doing this. For some reason, they have a very careless attitude about the Muppets. They wouldn't dream of releasing replicas of their Mickey Mouse walkarounds. Why is it acceptable to plop an actual Kermit in the lap of anbody with a few hundred bucks?
Seeing Kermit will no longer be special or exciting if people already have him sitting in thier living rooms. They might as well remove Kermit from the Smithsonian right now, because soon nobody will care. He'll be about as common as a box of breakfast cereal.
This is a big mistake. Huge. The death of a star, really. And it makes me sad.
I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree with those that are down on this idea.
First of all, we don't know what the number available will be. Let's say it's 1,000. That's 1,000 out of 270,000,000 people in this country. That hardly makes Kermit as common as a box of cereal.
Second, I've known people for years who already have unlicensed replica puppets. That hasn't made the vast majority of people stop caring. I still get a thrill at seeing a real Kermit, even though I've played for hours with a homemade one.
Third, I want one. I like replica puppets. I have a Beany (from "Time for Beany"), a Tom Servo, plus Jerry Mahoney and Knucklehead Smiff made off of molds from Paul Winchell's figures. But once I got to see Winchell's real dummies and was every bit in awe as if I didn't own my own.
Fourth, a Kermit that Jim Henson used will still be more valuable than one that Steve Whitmire used or a Master Replica version.
Finally, this all seems to me to be as big a brouhaha as the people who were so distraught that they were auditioning for new Muppeteers. In the long run, replicas are replicas and will not diminish the value of the puppets that are actually featured in the films and on TV. The real thing is always worth more than the copy because it was used by the people collectors admire. Plus, you can point to the screen and say, "That's mine!"
It seems to me that the same people are always the ones who think badly about EVERYTHING thats new. And it always seems to turn out just fine. I say hold your bashing untill you have the item in hand or see how it really effects the world and than you can rightfully judge, and say that it is a mistake, but to me it seems EVEYTHING people have complained about always seems to work out fine, and were are those people now? They have shut up and probably own one of why they protested in the beg.
I wouldn't entirely discount the possibility of Disney allowing the release of replica walkarounds, especially based on vintage costumes. They've already allowed the release of replica vintage mouseketeer ears (like Annette Funicello wore), and have allowed the release and creation of vintage monorail replicas (miniature, of course). That's not such an outlandish idea.
For me, having replicas doesn't diminish the impact of the property. I own a lot of props, stuff from Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean, Harry Potter and about a dozen other movies. I have costume replicas from Lord of the Rings, displayed on mannequins, and I have life size Mogwai replicas from Gremlins and Gremlins 2. Seeing all of this makes be better appreciate the painstaking effort people go to, to make movies and fantasy real, and it has never diminished my appreciation for the real thing. I've attended many Star Wars prop/costume/etc exhibits, as well as the Lord of the Rings Trilogy Exhibition, and every time I see items at these exhibits, I'm still moved, I'm still awe struck, and I still feel just like a kid the first time I saw Star Wars (obviously I couldn't have also been a kid during LOTR though).
I have a life size Legolas costume on a mannequin at home, but remember the feeling I got seeing the screen used Legolas costume at Lord of the Rings exhibit. Seeing what went into just creating a replica helped me appreciate even more all of the painstaking efforts that the crew went to, to make the real thing.
I can look at my lifesize Gizmo sitting on my shelf, but I still have the same emotional response when I watch Gremlins.
I collect replicas because it supports my appreciation and affection for a given license. Seeing the real thing is still moving. If anything, owning a Kermit replica will only increase my desire to take a pilgrimage to the Smithsonian to see the real thing.
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