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Bert and Ernie, Cousins?

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Mario, Jul 18, 2005.

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  1. Mario

    Mario New Member

    I was raised on the idea that they were cousins. But, no I am questioning if there is any truth behind this. I will probably always think of them that way, because my mom has always told me that. I just want to know if anyone else has ever heard that. And, how old are they? Are they kids or adults?
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    No, they're not cousins. They're just best friends/roommates. Kind of like Rocky and Bullwinkle, Ren and Stimpy, they're just friends who live together. They're ages have never been revealed. I believe they're kids...in "Doctor Ernie", Ernie's talking about how he has to finished 8 years of grade school, four years of high school, etc, etc.
  3. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    Yeah, the ages were never truly revealed. I never really thought of them as being kids. Not like Big Bird, Elmo, Prairie or Cookie. If they are kids, they are pretty darn intellegent. If they are kids, then I would say they fit more into the teen range. I dunno...its hard to tell. Its funny cuz neither of them have jobs and they live by themselves with no parents.
  4. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Yeah, their ages are funny. I'd put bert as an adult maybe 20's just because he has that unibrow and a deep voice. Ernie on the other hand he could be in his 30s like Joey from Friends, but I wouldnt put him there. Its wierd because when I think about his age then I don't know it. But, when I don't think about it, I just have a very clear sense of how old they are. Its kind of like, did anyone read Through the Looking Glass? When Alice can't look directly at the toy shelves but only at the shelves surrounding the shelf she wants to look at. If I try to put my finger on it, I get all screwy. But if I just let my feelings control, I have a very good sense of their ages.
  5. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    I dunno. I never really think about how old they are. To me, they are ageless and timeless. They don't need an age. They aren't children though. Prairie Dawn is supposed to be 7 years old. So if B and E are supposed to be kids at all (which I don't believe so) then they are probably a little older than her, since she is basically the oldest and apparantly most mature out of all the kids on Sesame Street.
  6. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Active Member

    I really don't think it's possible that they're kids because they share an apartment together and I've seen them drive a car. They are probably adults but that doesn't really explain the "grade school" statement. I'm guessing that was just a mistake by the writers. I've also seen books that show Bert and Ernie in school with the other Muppets, but those books probably lack in continuity with the actual series. I'm going with the fact that they're adults.
  7. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    Yeah, I never go by the books for age information, just because it shows Ernie and Bert in school with Big Bird and Oscar and Prairie. It isn't accurate, especially since why would Oscar (an adult character) be in school with Big Bird (a toddler)?
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    What about Grover? He's SUPPOSED to be 4, yet he has all these odd jobs, and gives these lectures about spanish words, and how to be a super hero.
  9. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict New Member

    as Mr. Rogers would say, it's all pretend and can't think of what else to say. but you know what i mean.
  10. Skeeter Muppet

    Skeeter Muppet Active Member

    You're forgetting the obvious pair (whom Bert and Ernie are obviously parodying) - Oscar Madison and Felix Ungar! I mean, Ernie may not be as messy as Oscar but he has his own little quirks. And if Bert isn't a send-up of Felix then I'll eat my hat.

    Wait...I don't have a hat...

    -Kim
  11. MWoO

    MWoO Active Member

    You are saying a kid driving makes no sense on a show with an 8 foot talking bird, a grouch that lives in a bottomless garbage can with an elephant, and a 4 year old blue monster who bounces from job to job? :confused:
  12. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    and he still lives with his mommy
  13. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Active Member

    Good point. I've never really thought about that.
  14. DTF

    DTF Member

    Their relation is what you grew up with

    The original poster is right as to it being what she grew up with. My good friend from church has a niece that lives w/him, his parents, and his brother & their kids. When the older brother was 4-5, I asked him if he realized B&E weren't brothers (as I always thougt they were). His reply: "Of coruse not, they're cousins." Because see, he thought of himself as like the fun-loving Ernie & his then early teenage niece as the somewhat geeky Bert who doesn't always like to play around with him.

    Well, now tht he's 7 and his younger brother is 4, now he's the big brother who gets bugged by his little brother, and he thinks B&E are brothers b/c he sees himself as kind of like Bert having to put up w/a little who's like Ernie.

    I don't t6hink Bert can be that young b/c he has a nephew; while I know of 11-12YO kids with nieces or nephews, they are pretty few and far between. I kind of think of them as college roommates in a way. Which is quite close tot he Odd Couple sort of thing.

    I think they don't work b/c they are in college somewhere close by. And like those in many TV shows (though some do a good job of showing homework and such) they never actually study :) (Or do they - Bert is often reading. :) It would also explain why they have an apartment, why Bart at times would go to visit. I wonder how close New York U. is to them. Or maybe nowadays they can do their coursework online a lot.

    Grover may just play all that stuff about having all these jobs. The waiter stuff he used to do especially. My cousins, when we'd visit our grandparents, used to love to play waiter, and they were so cute and funny, at ages 3 through about 7 or 8.
  15. MWoO

    MWoO Active Member

    Bert and Ernie are children mentally just as Grover is a child mentally. They have no actual ages and really I odn't think anyone was meant to question it that much. They are what they are.
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Also, Grover is always noted as being a child, however, he has been seen working in various jobs. You have to be at least 15 or 16 to get employment, as per my understanding.
  17. GeeBee

    GeeBee New Member

    While there may be some muppets whose ages are basically established (such as Elmo clearly being a child and Sherlock Hemlock clearly being an adult), I think that most of the well known muppets are combinations of child and adult and can go in and out of the roles as needed. Although the Sesame Street Unpaved book says that Grover is written to represent the psychological age of a four year old, it's not exactly the same as saying that he IS a 4 year old. Who's to say that he's not an adult with a childlike personality who still lives with his mommy as he tries to find the right occupation? Besides, in the imaginary world of muppets, who knows what the legal age is for a monster to work? Bert certainly takes the role of an adult to Ernie's childlike ways in many skits, but other times, he and Ernie both seem like two kids fighting and sometimes a human adult, such as Maria, is needed to mediate. I think that most of the muppets have the type of size, voice, look, and personality that they can act as adults or children without ever being locked into one clear definition.
  18. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    Yes, good points.

    Obviously, the ones that are clearly children only would be Elmo, Zoe, Big Bird, Baby Natasha, Prairie Dawn, Baby Bear, Betty Lou, Roosevelt Franklin, Alice, Kingston Livingston III, Little Bird, and probably Rosita.

    The ones that are clearly adults would be The Count, Hoots, Biff and Sully, Herbert Birdsfoot, Mumford, Kermit, Guy Smiley, Oscar, Benny Rabbit, Sherlock Hemlock, Bruno, Forgetful Jones, Grungetta, Sonny Friendly, Lefty, Fat Blue, Prof. Hastings, Gladys, Don Music, Simon Soundman, Sherry Netherland, Humphrey and Ingrid.

    The rest of the main Muppets are just sort of floating in between: Ernie, Bert, Telly, Cookie Monster, Grover, Herry, Two-Headed Monster, Snuffy, Slimey, Davey and Joey Monkey.
  19. Xerus

    Xerus Active Member

    Actually, I believe Telly is a kid. Just a little older than Elmo and Zoe. For I remember he tried to ride a pogo stick built for teenagers, but it was too big for him. And one time during the hurricane, Telly's was looking out the window and his mom called him over to dinner.
  20. MWoO

    MWoO Active Member

    The inbetween ones you listed are pretty much the ones who's metal ages are of children, but lead some what adult lives. The THM for example is suppose to have the mind of a 2 year old, yet he wonders around the streets pretty much.

    Oh, and telly is suppose to be a kid I think. He might be around Big Birds age.


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