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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ryhoyarbie, Apr 20, 2010.

  1. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    When I was a teenager, I despised everything my parents said/did. That being said, sex and drugs weren't ever my thing. I once took a whiff of chewing tobacco and thought, "How on earth can anyone like that stuff?". The only peer pressure I ever really cared about was maybe having Looney Tunes shirts or something. When my "friends" wanted me to do stuff of questionable ethics, I thought they were stupid.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, considering we were talking about sex in bad relationships, there's a difference between "If you don't do this, you're a piece of crap" and "If you don't say yes, I'll assault you anyway." Remember, there are a LOT of relationships like that. Ones that the other person is just too afraid to get out of.
  3. Convincing John

    Convincing John Well-Known Member

    In parenting classes, there's two clips I wish they'd show to emphasize that.

    Anyone else here ever wish you could do what Brian did? I know I have!
    Clip1

    Then listen to the story about little Jeffrey.
    Clip 2

    There's also a commercial on Youtube about a kid throwing a tantrum in a grocery store which is absolutely brilliant (it really sells the product, too!)...but I don't think I could post it here. Just type in "best commercial ever" in the search bar and you'll find it.

    For those who think all kids are sunshine and happiness, just watch one of those "Nanny" shows (either Super or 911). I like to watch them once in a while just so I can feel better about myself. Even if I have a crummy day, at least I don't have obnoxious brats like that to deal with! I'm not having any kids, not now, not ever.

    Convincing John
  4. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Active Member

    I'm switching topics now.....forgive me if you still want to talk about why people have children who can't support them, etc.


    Anyway, I wanted to move to the topic of the ever so popular notion of college. I have a college degree, a bachelor's in history, I got 5 years ago and have never used it once. Other people in other message boards and posted that they too have a college degree in something and have never used it to the point that is has made them frustrated that they have wasted money.

    While there are those professions that require a degree, doctor, teacher, engineer, etc., most college degrees are becoming more of a waste to the point that people are now saying it's an overrated product. Yet society keeps on saying people need a college degree, or politicians claiming that we need to stay competitive so that requires sending people to get a college degree, etc. etc. etc. But with the lovely economy and so many people that are unemployed or underemplyed, including those with years of experience, college degrees, and certifications, more people are now realizing college is not a guarantee like it was 30 years ago. You can also add to the fact college tuition is rising extremely fast too.

    So what do you think? Do you think people need to go to college to get a degree in something that's not going make them employable? Do you think college is becoming more of a scam and that college is nothing more than a business that will try to sell you something in order to make money off of you?
  5. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I have (counts) four degrees. Only the nursing one might lead anywhere. I've heard of some colleges getting sued (particularly the kinds you see on TV, "Do you want a good paying job now?") because you spend all that time and money for nothing. Take nursing. I'm only working in the nursing home I'm working in because long-term care has high turnover and my well-respected brother works there (something I'm ashamed of, as I don't like getting jobs for "who you know", but there was little other choice). Everyone keeps telling me hospitals take inexperienced nurses in internships (as long as it's a teaching hospital), but I have yet to win a spot as one. I think they hire from within more often than not. At the rate my job is going, it's going to tear my body down to the point I'd have to go on disability if something bad happened. I might have to work hard in a hospital, but then it's only three days out of a week, not five. I have more time to recover.

    There are a lot of jobs, I'm sorry, that don't really need college education. And even if they did, just because you read some theories regarding your field doesn't mean you can apply it in real life. I can save you the cost of an MBA with my three simple rules: Make employees happy, make customers happy, turn a profit. See how simple it is? Watching shows like Tabitha's Salon Makeover or Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares, it's obvious that a lot of the problem isn't the lack of education, it's a lack of any kind of common sense. Colleges can't provide you with any of that. We need to bring back apprenticeships. Learn what you need to learn for the job and move on with your day. A lot of jobs could probably get by with certifications rather than full degree programs.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That was like that when the economy was OH so supposedly good. You know, when the big fat corporations got higher profits when no one was buying anything because they used those tax cuts they bought for padding them. That was when everyone was moving jobs to other countries EVEN when they were making money. No one wants to say it, but the economy has been crap for a LOT longer than anyone wants to think about.

    Worst part is, I wanted a cartooning job when everyone and his mother wants one. So now, the only thing I can do is put out a million billionth indie comic and pray that the market for indies doesn't collapse and the geek chic fad doesn't die by then. Even if TV cartoons were bountiful, I doubt I'd get something. All a college degree did was give me a liability. They want to hire high school dropouts or something for the menial money making jobs. How's that for keeping morals?

    And the worst part is these companies pay loudmouths so much money to say how evil the "illegal immigrants" are for "Stealing out jobs" while they basically keep hiring them because those can pay them whatever slave wage they see fit, and ignore benefits... and if there's any complaints, it's a call to the INS. All the while, people are told how this is destroying our economy, all while being interrupted by commercials for Wal*Mart, the REASON why everything's made overseas.

    But the biggest problem is that the people who invest in the stock market now are the BIGGEST WEENIES on the planet. I've seen Wade Duck and Boober muster up more courage than that. Like I give a crap if Greece's economy is belly under. I'm not working there. And then the euro lost ground to the dollar. I'm sorry, but considering that our money briefly was worth LESS than the Canadian Loony, isn't that a GOOD thing? Apparently not. now Europe can't use us as a cheap and tacky tourist destination. Man, these guys want it both ways SOOOOO bad. These jerks are the reason why gas went up to 5 bucks a gallon in 2008, really causing the market crash. Yeah, I see you only give a crap about your stupid retirement. Bully for you. None of us will ever have one because we can't find work if you keep pulling your money out.
  7. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    The hardest part in my life is trying to help my grandfather (who did the whole "I walked a thousand miles to school and worked underneath a sewer grate in the 30's" thing) see that what his country raised him to believe about the workforce isn't entirely accurate. School doesn't mean what Leave It to Beaver said it did. Working hard at your job doesn't gurantee success (which was always poorly defined anyway). Success shouldn't mean what it did in the 20s and 80s. Greed isn't good. Sometimes you get fired for not bowing before injustice. Sometimes you get injured and can't work. Many bosses are simply there because they want to be in power, not because they want to be successful. Success takes brains and willpower and from even personal experience, nobody wants to do that. They assume "working hard" means being a slave to the company. I call BS. At least now that I'm throwing up and got some antibiotics from the doc, my grandfather isn't griping about me missing work like he did when I was having leg pain a couple of weeks ago. I don't want to take off work either. I could use the money. But it's not worth my health.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Cough cough... the 80's WERE the problem. Again, all our misery is thanks to a certain oil slick haired former actor. A LOT of regulations were destroyed in that era, and the ripple effects are STILL being felt.

    We whine about the Bailout, but we don't seem to realize that A) there was one years and years before, and B) the reasons that caused them to give them money are a lot more despicable and horrifying than giving them the money. I love how the very same politicians that are manipulating people saying how the president is evil for giving them that money are the very same ones that STILL are against any regulation of any kind.
  9. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Here is something to talk about!

    I have four kids in elementry school, and for the second time in about four months the Department of Children Services has pulled them out of class and took them to an empty room, and asked them questions about there home life. So today I tried to find out what was going on, because after the first home visit the case worker said she was going to close the case. Then she starts talking to the kids again earlier this week. I first contacted the school, and talked to the principal. She had no clue what was going on, and was kind of glad about that. She said that if they took her in the room that she may or may not have to go to court and she really didn't want to be in court in involved anyways. So then I tried calling the department, and after spending almost 10 minits on hold I found that our case worker was not even able to take my call.
    So here is the question: Is it right for the Department of Children Services to go to school's and talk with kids without the parents even knowing or giving them permision?
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Is there any more info you can share about this whole situation? Like why are your kids involved with the Department of Children Services in the first place? You mentioned something about a case supposedly being close, is there some kind of legal trouble you guys are in or something?

    Sorry for sounding noisy, but this isn't making too much sense.
  11. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well apperntly someone called and reported some things about our family life such as they where not being fed and that I was rough with the kids. They came out and talked with my wife and looked at the house said that the case was bogus and she was going to try and close it. That was all we had heard and we though it was over. Then two days ago my two oldest said the lady talked to them again. So I'm a little upset because ether the case was never closed, or they are opening up a new case, or closing the case and checking in on the kids. I don't really know
  12. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    As someone who also fell victim to a family troll, it was devastating and traumatic. They didn't get your permission because if there's abuse, only an idiot would ask the potential abuser permission to speak with the kid alone. I don't know how my mom got tipped off, but she called the school to warn me they were coming. You see, my father didn't want my mother to be happy and go to college, so the fact she married a quadriplegic man who required certain types of care made him want to accuse the family of sexual abuse (the man needed catheterization and home health only stayed there for maybe half an hour, if they bothered to show up). I will never forgive my father for that. He claimed he knew nothing about it, but "it was wrong anyway" ... which tells me that even if he didn't personally made the call, he certainly told someone to do it.

    It's a good thing reporting is anonymous. While naturally I don't condone violence, people who falsely report should have bad things happen to them.
  13. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    The thing is I feel that it puts a whole lot of worry and such on the kids. I mean they have already had a tuff life because of the kind of things that there real dad has put them through. Now they have to worry about being taken away from us that to me just seems unfair and wrong.
  14. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well I finaly got a hold of the case worker, and found out that it is a new case that is being opened. The case worker said that she could not go into the details with me because I'm not the kids real parent. So I set up a meeting with her on Wensday. The thing that bothered me about the whole phone call, and the one I had with the school is this don't care attetude I seem to be getting from these people. I love my step kids very much, and hate that they are being drug through this, and the fact that the people on the other side of this little battle don't seem to care makes this even more madding.
  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    My little controversial topic

    There are three popular groups in this country that I find problematic due to a few choice toxic leaders who speak on behalf of their whole community of followers in striving to take rights away from Americans in all walks of life. They also bully and employ agressive fear tactics on those who oppose them. I have friends in two of these three organizations who are more upset by these particular representatives than I am so this is no personal or spiritual critique. My issue isn't with the nature of their beliefs, just the enforcement of them on others. These groups are Mormons, Scientologists and PETA.

    I think families come in all forms and some have more patchwork than others. I don’t believe outsiders should define the homes of others due to mere spiritual or philosophical differences. Keep our eyes on our own papers and our hands to ourselves. Traditional or non-traditional, the home is sacred and we should all be given the freedom to thrive.

    I’m not a fan of popping a pill for every ailment, but I do believe in doctors and medicine from psychology to surgery. I think people should be permitted to make informed decisions without being demonized. Some folk believe that disease is the result of being a bad person! I’ve never had to take an antidepressant, but I’ve know people who have been helped by them. I also know others who haven’t. Nonetheless, it should be a personal choice. One made in the home.

    I’m a vegetarian, but more for health reasons than philosophical ones. Meat makes me lethargic and I don’t really enjoy it. We should be kind to animals, but some folk take this sentiment way too far. Fish are not “sea kittens” and I’m not going to give up my leather jacket, belts or shoes because they’re made from bovine hide. Call me cynical, but I believe that many of the animal-activist supermodels would club a woodland creature to death if it resulted in a week without wrinkles! They’d just do it in private. I certainly don’t condone that of course!

    Just my two cents. I think everybody should be able to get along even with wide ranging views. I just don’t believe in clipping the wings of other people in order to suit our needs. There are too many religious supremacists in this country enforcing their views on others whether it’s based on lost Indian tribes, volcano aliens or animals. Still, I’d love to see a movie with all three of those elements!

    Here's a little exposé film coming in three weeks about one of these groups' leadership messing with me and my pals. Feel free not to click it if the subject matter offends you. And yes, that is Star Trek's George Takei. ;)

    Ducks from all the flying tomatoes now. :o
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I hate groups of any kind that say they want to help people, and basically just beat people over the head with their logic and try to ban any and everything under the sun.

    I may as well touch up on your groups...

    PETA sucks. I see what true animal rights people are talking about and I see their point. But to quote Raven of Teen Titans "I respect you don't eat meat. Please respect that I don't eat fake meat." But when it comes to an organization that wants Ben and Jerry to use Human milk for their ice cream (think very long and hard about what needs to happen there) and has a vendetta on Nintendo for Cooking Mama's cruelty towards pixilated organisms that don't exit, you're talking about something on the verge of an eco-terrorist group that celebs join for the "we Care" factor.

    Mormons? That's a tricky one. I can't complain about any religion, and I don't want to lump anyone into anything or diss their beliefs system... all I'm gonna say is Neo-facist schmuck Glenn Beck is one, and so is the looney toon who believed that capitalistic and communistic forces would gang up and destroy the US (whose name I forget) that Glenn gets his values system from belong to the militant far right of that group. Yeah...

    Scientologists... well... when I completely give up on trying to make it in any aspect of the cartoon biz, THEN I'll slaughter them.

    I also want to give a shout out to groups like Commercial Free Childhood. And if you don't know by now why (to quote Internet meme I. M. Meen) I HATE those goody goodies, you just don't pay attention to anything I post.

    Really? How the shell is retiring Ronald McDonald and making him take his plastic fun premiums with him gonna stem the whole "Childhood obesity epidemic?" Kids don't even LIKE Ronald McDonald anymore. They eat junk food because they're kids. These are self righteous jerks that care MORE about what's on a wrapper than what goes into the food inside. People who have a "Super Size Me" logic when a "Food Inc" logic is required. If they really cared all that much about the cause, use all that money to kill high fructose corn syrup. Use that money to put edible foods in school cafeterias. I personally feel when they took Doritos and Combos out of school vending machines, they lost the most nutritious and highest quality stuff they had.

    And that one seems to be made out of three kinds of people... Sugar parents (that is, parents that buy their kids everything under the sun to avoid actually being a parent to their kids), the "we're so much better than you" types that can afford to give their kids actual organic local whatevers, and egotistical psychologists/pediatricians that want the smug self satisfaction of taking down an easy to take down industry (you can't get bankers and oil execs to behave by saying "Think of the children!")
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Ultimately, I support individual decisions, but we’re not all always given all the options. From social policy to health - that’s the problem. Other people are deciding for us.


    I think clowns are creepy, period. But the problem is not the mascot. Parents need to know the facts and set limits. Treats are great to have, but not to live on. Also, all of us need to have affordable healthy alternatives on fast food menus. Heck, make a program that incentivizes restaurants to make genuinely healthy alternatives and I assure you they'll follow suit. Also, the US government over-taxes sugar and gives incentives for the corn industry that's creating an unhealthy country. Raw sugar is still sugar, but much healthier than corn syrup. Pepsi products are actually bringing back their original formulas in special packaging.
  18. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I dunno ... South Park hasn't exactly gone extinct.
    I don't do sodas of any type. Never could take the fizziness of them. But, still ... LOL if Coke ever went back to its original formula.
  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm completely carbonation intolerant... I can't drink carbonated beverage at all.

    At least I have a legitimate excuse not to drink, lol.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    But they can never hire Nancy Cartwright! :)

    I'm too afraid to say how poisonous they are. but I agree with South Park 100%... 110% even.

    Exactly. I find the "you're selling dangerous stuff to kids" thing to be the ultimate cop out. ANY kind of junk food, even organically made glucose free stuff is bad for you. I still am waiting for the documentary that makes the mom and pop pizza places look like Satan worshiping monsters too. I agree 100billion %. Treats are just that. We use them to bribe kids to get good grades. What are future generations gonna do? "Hey Timmy! For every A on your test, I'll buy you a high fiber organic bran cereal that colon cancer patients are forced to eat." Feh!

    Steven freaking king and his tedious "It" movie have tarnished the reputation of clowns. I swear it did. Sure, the creepy clown has its place... The Joker... Buggy the Clown... Binky. but I find it a tedious stereotype. now MIMES... that bugs me and annoys me. And I like French stuff.

    But the thing of it is... firstly, they just started using the Clown in the commercials again after like a 2 year hiatus. And it took monsters VS. Aliens to even get Grimace back in the advertisements. Forget Ronald... I wanna see the Hamburgerlar, Grimace, and that stupid Pirate guy back. And above all, I wanna see Chester Cheetah back. I swear, Chester and the M&M's are my favorite hunk food mascots. Secondly, I NEVER see kids eating kids meals anymore. They get things on the menu bigger than them. Why, I ate a huge meal once when I was a kid (Flintstones McRib promo) and I got pretty sick and vowed never to eat that much ever again. Once I saw a kid eat a Taco Bell nacho boat thing like it was a sandwich!


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