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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ryhoyarbie, Apr 20, 2010.

  1. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    Funny, I know two idiots who do nothing but harm to whatever cause they're trying to promote which is usually themselves, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

    But I do know what you are trying to say about people speaking on behalf of supposedly the entire country. They're just trying to promote their view point, not the opinions of others. You can also say political parties do the same thing.....

    I'm a strong proponent of thinking for yourself and not letting someone else to they thinking for you. That's one of the reasons why I hate religion in general. They let a book or a minister of some shape speak for the entire group instead of letting people form their own conclusions about something. But if they like religion, then that's fine. Don't want to be one-sided like Bill Maher.

    By the way, I hate clowns and mimes too. Bug the you know what out of me.
  2. Yorick

    Yorick Well-Known Member

    what came 1st

    what came 1st -the chicken or the egg? i have my theory!:cool:
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I agree with that quite a bit!

    I almost forgot that other problematic fourth group that Bill Maher belongs to (aside from PETA). It's the one I refer to as "toxic atheism". I'm an agnostic, and particular religions do creep me out a bit, but as long as it's not messing with my life I'm okay. But there's a brand of atheism that doesn't seem to be happy unless they're tearing down a person's viewpoint without leaving anything in its place. I like Bill Maher, but his point of view can swing into the wackadoo territory.
  4. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Well-Known Member

    Alright, I'm going to throw a high risk one out there - Westboro Baptist Church
    Now, I am all for freedom of expression and all, but the ridiculous level of xenophobia and homophobia displayed by this group really, REALLY ticks me off. I mean picketing funerals? That's just stupid; and it doesn't help anyone.
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Lemme just say, when Bill O'Reilly hates you, you know you're even too far right of that toxic channel. Groups like that are WHY we have the toxic atheists Frogboy was talking about. The whole "God hates Gays, so let's judge them ourselves to save nobody" thing is the WORST aspect of religion. Tossing away all the important stuff to hold on to the precious footnote that lets them keep fascist bigoted ways. And you'd think the WBC would have loved the idea that we're staring war with another religion. I mean, that's how they marketed the war, right?

    Why these guys aren't in Guantanamo is beyond me. I'm sorry, but "Thank God for 9/11?" Are you kidding me? That's a terrorist mindset if you ask me. How come at these vile, vomit and bile spewing but strangely lawful picketing lines don't have the same violent police activity peaceful anti-war protests get? That's a mental screw up if I ever heard one. I still am confused why "Please get us out of this war" sign holders get tear gassed and clubbed and "Obamama is teh Hiltlers" can safely walk the streets. But this "we love you terrorists for punishing us for not publicly stoning homosexuals because we find them ickypants" thing IS terrorism. They believe in the same exact backwards illogic that the very same people we're supposedly dropping bombs on believe.

    I mean, technically, there's stuff about religion that bugs me, but that stuff I let slide. There's a lot of the Catholic religion that bothers me... and frankly, it's not so much the current stuff (and I don't want to go into that) as it is what they did historically. But the WBC is the evilest of the evil, and THE reason why no one respects religion. Again, even Bill O'Reilly thinks their evil, and he's on Fox News.
  6. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    I'll change that to say "the WORST aspect of their religion."

    No real Christian was EVER given the authority to judge another human being.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Exactly. But there's a nice little footnote these pseudo-religion based hate groups follow to the letter, basically ignoring the ENTIRE rest of the bible. That is the worst aspect of any religion right there. And I refuse to even CALL them Christian, myself. Seem to follow the exact opposite, actually. Something with horns.
  8. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    Agreed entirely. :)
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    But the worst thing is that whole exploded oil rig thing. Everyone's (rightly) blaming BP, and (misguidedly) blaming the president. But NO ONE is mentioning Haliburton. They make inferior concrete... the same garbage the Boston Big Dig tunnel was made out of that fell on and killed a woman. The oil rig blew up because of the cheap concrete. But hey, I guess blaming the president for everything is the new it thing... even though he's trying to pass some sort of regulation (which will NEVER happen). The oil companies own our souls. They have billions and billions of dollars to discredit other forms of energy (if not, holding them back), they OWN the country and every politician in it (especially the right)... and they'll spend trillions of dollars to make sure they're never liable for ANYTHING. And this has been going on YEARS before our current guy was old enough to cross the street by himself.

    But other than that, Haliburton. I'll say it again! I still swear they're the reason why we went to war, they tried to move to Dubai to avoid having to pay taxes of any kind, and they're just terrible. They're pure evil. Especially considering who used to run it... or at least was a controlling stock holder.
  10. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    Speaking of Obama (not to get off of the oil spill topic), I heard he's going on a vacation this weekend and won't attend to the Memorial Day mourning at Arlington Cemetery,
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    It's not really those Westboro freakies that bother me as much as the more subversive tactics used by other groups that feel very much the same way but won't publicly admit it. There’s a "Missionaries of Hate" documentary by Vanguard on Hulu right now that talks of pending legislation in Uganda inspired by softer-seeming American evangelicals that would put gay people in prison for one “offense”, put to those to death with multiple “offenses” and would do the same for those who know about them and do not report it! Does any of this behavior sound familiar? Just a heads-up. The documentary can be frank and disturbing at times, but has no official warning on it. We enjoy so many freedoms in this country - one that protects even the twisted Westboro folk to preach their toxic message in the public arena. I guess we've gotta take the bad with the good.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's more important that he's going to actually visit the scene of the oil eruption and the ravaged town, to me.
  13. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Yeah. I admit I'm not really into celebrating holidays anyway, but there are a few real and practical things that need to be taken care of. Politicians celebrating holidays is just a photo op. I'd like to see my government doing its job, not confusing mugging for the camera with productivity.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Honestly, I just want him to actually be TOUGH! A lot of the things wrong with the country are what the opposing party gave us, and what they're still calling for. Deregulation being one of them. I don't get it. What happened to the whole Bailout rage about these massive monster banks and how "terrible" it was that the President (before he took office) gave them money. Oh no... regulation so these companies actually have to play as fair as the law forces them too is communism. Again, they want it both ways.

    Forget the banks... look at BP... after all this, they could get slapped with a fine that's essentially lunch money and bill the rest to everyone else... they can mark up their prices to make up the difference. Look at Toyota, which is spending more money discrediting people and hiding their involvement than they are actually fixing their own problems. They're both UNREGULATED. And these companies are KILLING us. I mean, really... this goes back to the Greasy Haired Ex-Actor administration, who deregulated everything. And we put HIM on a pedestal?
  15. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    I agree. I understand people are going to have their opinions as they should and they should have the right to express it, but yeah targeting funerals which are very personal, sad functions and turning it into a protest site is just wrong.

    I hate extremists in any group that while they are entitled to their beliefs, really ruin it for others who may share their opinion. They just don't go about the right way expressing it sometimes. Perfect example, I'm a member of PETA. I love what they stand for, protecting the rights of animals, but I do NOT agree with all their tactics of how they go about it sometimes. The most I do is sign petitions, make donations, wear my T-shirts, etc. and maybe post a video or something to my Facebook to spread awareness.

    But I don't preach to people about not eating meat (and I'm a vegetarian, but not vegan), but I know terrorizing people to do as I do is not the right way of getting people to hop on board. Going after Obama awhile back because he killed a fly at a press conference was just dumb in my opinion. And it makes everyone else not take us seriously. So they are just losing points with the rest of the world because of a few dumb people who took offense to stuff like that.
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    People go after him for eating the wrong kind of ketchup. They go after him for EVERYTHING. But the nitpicky little garbage that doesn't matter only serves to spend time defending everything you do instead of getting things done. Of course, if the last guy was caught eating babies with a side order of seals, you so much as said anything, and you were branded a commie. Funny how that works out, huh?
  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Because the GOP is being a bunch of sore losers about Obama winning... they've had their taste of power for so long, because of those two terms that Bush served, that now they're being all whiney because they're no longer in control. I don't even remember the GOP being in this much of a spat when Clinton was in office.

    And look at how they've been backlashing - everybody's oh-so-in-love with Palin, that they follow her every lead, and she's been leading this modern-day Boston Tea Party rally by having civilians going around, throwing bricks and walls into the windows of where any Democratic political figure works, where their children go to school, where their families live, etc for supporting Obama's healthcare overhaul, and she's even gone so far as to pinpointing these people's exact location on the internet for the opposition to hunt them down and such.

    And good God, I'm scared to think what will happen to our lives as we know if Palin wins the 2012 election...

    BUT, we all said we can do with the political issues in this thread, so let's change the subject, shall we?
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I doubt she'll ever go into politics again. She'll never run because she's making all too much money just whining. All I can say is, wow... imagine if McCain won the election and she actually had to DO something. Wow.

    I mean, either side, it is hypocritical to say that you shouldn't say anything nasty about the leader. That's everyone's right. But this is coming out of the "You're either with us or against us" and "speaking out against the war means your a sympathizer" Bush era. Remember "freedom Fries?"

    I swear a good number of the Tea Party is people who still have Peace Sign = footprint of the American Chicken and "Let's Bomb France Next" bumper stickers on their cars. The thing that REALLY bugs me about this anti-government sentiment isn't what they're saying, its the fact they were good little soldiers and obedient puppets when the entire world said the war in Iraq was a DUMB idea. And no one seemed to care about deficit spending until the health care bill. If more of their organization were to vote ONLY for an independent party, I wouldn't say a word. But these are the SAME people who wanted to ship peace protesters to Guantanamo.
  19. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Both parties have had their problems and gross lack of competence. I have strong feelings about each administration since Carter. With congress it's about who gets what credit instead of actually improving the lives of individuals. That’s what creates stalemates no matter who is in office. :smirk:

    Reagan, Clinton, G.W. Bush and Obama have all been cited for lack of practical experience or accomplishment before taking Presidential office. G.H.W. Bush is actually the only one with a steady track record, but that doesn’t excite voters. That’s why the machinery behind Palin thinks she has a chance. I’m not a fan, but will note she will likely run again and could gain a bit of momentum.

    For better or for worse, we finally have a leader who is dealing with decades-old problems head-on! This is very un-PC to say, but I do find it noteworthy that America’s first minority President has largely taken on the janitorial role cleaning up the many years of mess left behind by the Caucasian majority. And that takes time. Personally, I think he’s doing something right because he’s getting trouble from both sides of the aisle. He’s getting heckled by gay rights activists and that’s peeving me. There’s no magic wand for him to wave to fix everything. He’s President, not King. :attitude:

    Still, by nature no politician is perfect. In fact, you’ve got to be quite smarmy to be a success in politics so I never deify any of them. Peoples is peoples. :)
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    You KNOW she will!

    Hate to disagree with you for once Drtooth, but it's no secret Palin's going to run for presidency in 2012... as far as the behavior goes, she's a diva; she's gotten a taste of the spotlight, and she just can't and won't get out of it, she wants the attention, and she wants the power.

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