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D23 Expo: Muppet news and happenings

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by theprawncracker, Sep 11, 2009.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That is indeed good to hear. Seems like they were totally lost no thanks to the demise of Kid's WB. Really annoyed the heck out of me.
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Correct. The 2002-2004 period(EMTV/JHC ownership, pre Disney Feb 2004 buyout) was by far THE biggest Muppet merchandise saturation since the early to mid 1980's. By far. Everywhere I went, Muppet Show, Fraggle Rock, Bear in the Big Blue House. It was nuts.

    We also had the really good(IMHO) VMX movie, the Muppets on an insane amount of commercials on tv(Mastercard, Long John Silvers, Pizza Hut), tieins(NASCAR, etc), Muppets in pop culture and MTV, etc.

    Since the Muppets buyout by Disney, 2004-2009? Uh....well, we
    had Oz which I personally disliked a lot. We have had Letters to Santa which I *did* like a lot, as short as it was. But it appears 2010 is when the real tidal wave should hit(luck willing)
  3. Kynan Barker

    Kynan Barker Well-Known Member

    Hi Amy!

    Believe me, I'm happy that Disney is finally giving the Muppets a big push -- and by all accounts, the people involved, from Dick Cook down through Lylle Breier and the rest of the Muppets Studios staff, are all big fans just like you (and me).

    But with respect, I have to disagree with this:

    Disney's not giving us all this stuff. They're selling it to us. Disney bought the Muppets to make money from them, and we as Disney's customers vote with our wallets.

    As a fan, I don't think there's a whole lot to be gained from whining and moaning about every little thing that displeases me. But the assumption that we should be grateful for anything Disney deems fit to release, because if we criticize them they might get upset and stop releasing stuff, seems misguided.

    I'm grateful that the vast majority of the Muppet products Disney is now releasing (your comics included) has been of such high quality. But I want to encourage that high quality in every aspect of the Muppets, including (and most especially) the performance.

    That's my issue here: That by apparently cutting corners, by taking the performances for granted, Disney is actually risking all the good work they're putting in elsewhere.

    We're Disney's customers. If we don't complain, who will?
  4. Nick22

    Nick22 Well-Known Member

    i can't believe that we have people complaining. i can't freakin believe it. i don't care if it's just one person, but seriously. wow. WOW. that's nuts.

    i'm super excited and grateful for all this new stuff that we're getting next year. i'm so anxious! i don't know if i can wait!

    i love LTS. i thought it was rully good. not amazing, but it was good.
  5. muppets2

    muppets2 Well-Known Member

    yea it was pretty good but not the blow out of the century
  6. Nick22

    Nick22 Well-Known Member

    exactly. definitely not the best, not even close. but it was good. and enjoyable. imagine how good it could've been if they didn't rush it.
  7. muppets2

    muppets2 Well-Known Member

    wow it would have been as good as sliced bread:rolleyes:
  8. hoopless

    hoopless Well-Known Member

    LTS was awesome and whoever said it had no soul earlier is just wrong. Remember "I wish I could be Santa Claus"? good enough to be nominated for an emmy!

    I'm really excited for all the new stuff, it seems like they're making some real effort with them at last.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Not buying the stuff? Of yeah... that's giving them the message to pass on the whole thing and just give us another "Twween pop sensation" with the same music written by the same people.

    Can we really judge the entire direction they're going with 2 lousy live performances on... quite frankly... a crummy reality TV show and a cheap gag? If they continue to use Artie and Steve has left/had his contract expire/pass on in favor with cheaper sound-a-likes/abducted by aliens/Shanghaied in Shanghai on a junk full of junk/insert speculative conspiracy theory here, sure.. I'll be annoyed. If we dive into a soulless group of crappy reality TV performances, sure... I'll be annoyed. But not supporting the franchise is NOT going to give us higher quality stuff... It's gonna give us NOTHING at all.

    And TRUST me on this one.... I'm a TMNT fan. We complained our butts off about the movie, the TV show, the DVD releases, the toys... and guess what we have for the amazing 25th anniversary? A couple sexual innuendo magnets, a couple t-shirts at hot Topic, and a DTV movie that's been done, but no one's going to distribute it. The series is over, we got no sequal to TMNT, there isn't any toy line anymore... there's nothing left./ Sure, we got some reprint comics... but that's about it. Poser merchandise from hot Topic people who weren't even alive in the 80's wear because it's cool. I DO NOT want to see that happen here.

    We've seen LTS... we've read the comics. We've seen the web videos. That proves they can do it right. I say we give them a chance here... at least. Wait for the next project... and if it gets canceled or sucks, THEN we can complain.
  10. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    Great photo! :)
  11. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Um, what? Who was complaining about the 2007 TMNT fan? I consider it one of the best films of 2007 period, and to me its the absolute best theatrical release since the original. I could not have asked for a more amazing TMNT film experience. Who are these people complaining? The 2003 series and Fast Forward toys were amazing, and while I dont care for the 2007-present
    figures...least TMNT is still out there. Go to Hot Topic and they are awash in 80's TMNT nostalgia.

    As a fan of the TMNT since the black and white comic days, I can say these things go in waves. Theres the 87-93 period,
    the ill fated 96-98 attempt(when Image comics tried to reinvent the turtles and then next mutation and the next mutation straight to video movie) and of course the glorious 2003-2007 period. We have the Smash Up game out, Turtles In Time xbox arcade remake, we have two new TMNT arcade styled games coming out next year. A live action movie in 2011. How are things not good for TMNT fandom?

    Absolutely. I cant say enough good things about LTS(tho it was a bit short), the comics or muppets.com sketches. These three things alone make me an unbelievably happy Muppet fan.

    However, we'll soon see what the future will be...
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

  13. muppets2

    muppets2 Well-Known Member

    wow :eek::eek::eek:

    (do any of you guys have a guess who should take his place?)
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Off topic... but there was to be a LOT more, especially more toys. And yes, while I felt the endless parade of overpriced movie figures was annoying, pointless, and a pain in the shell (mostly about the whopping 10 dollar price tags)... and the cartoons took a huge hit when they got a new S&P person at the network (who kept the staff on a short leash)... seemed every time there was a complaint, we lost something. I'm afraid the same could happen here. Sure, there is some cool stuff... shirts, posters, comics, a movie that may or may not happen, and a DTV/Telefilm to air Lord knows when... but there was gonna be so so much more... They didn't even finish releasing the old TMNT figure rereleases. I was looking forward to Casey.

    That does worry me and all... but I have a feeling that he was planning to do that for a while. No one just steps down with no reason... people usually step down when they screw something up royally, or do something... well... controversial, wrong, or any other wise firable... of he could be a sacrificial lamb. There are a LOT of those in the business (especially the entertainment business) world.
  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The thing that concerns me is that he specifically introduced the Cheapest Muppet Movie project. I hope it isn't his personally green-lit project because incoming execs often like to shelve things that came before. I'm likely overreacting, but it does happen.
  16. GuySmileyfan

    GuySmileyfan Well-Known Member

    For those of you complain about this...that's enough! Come on you guys! Get into a positive routine. Disney was trying to make it up to us after their mistake for doing Muppets Wizard of Oz. And they are bringing back the classic Muppets. And I hope it includes the cute and cuddly brown dog, Rowlf. So, as soon as the year of 2010 comes, think positive and give Disney a second chance for the new movie.
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I don't think anyone's being negative about the movie. On the contrary - everyone seems very excited. We just hope that the Muppets will be performed by the crew that's been keeping the tradition alive for the past 19 years since Jim.
  18. unclematt

    unclematt Well-Known Member

    Frank Oz should take his place. LOL. Wouldn't that be the perfect world.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The negative comments stem from the same people who say the same stuff. The same comments about how the current Muppet projects aren't the same as the ones Jim did. And I'm gonna agree with Insider here... Jim's gone.

    Now the negativity spread all over this whole wrong sounding Kermin stuff. I think the fandom's worried that this will be a permanent thing, and not a just some random understudy stuff. And the worst part is we probably won't know anything for a while at least. And that's where some of the negativity's coming from.
  20. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    That... could be worrisome. Hopefully it won't effect any Muppet projects.

    According to Muppet Wiki, Artie performed (and sang for) Kermit at D23. It was added by scarecroe, so it wasn't just some rumor added to the page.

    I re-watched the video before looking this up, cuz it didn't sound like Steve to me the first time I watched it. It still didn't. I think this is the best of Artie's performances (what little one can actually see of it on youtube) but I'm not all on board with it. Perhaps Artie does really well with Kermit when he can imitate stuff Kermit's already done, such as Rainbow Connection (it's a lot easier to imitate the phrases of a character than it is to use a character's voice to make up your own stuff). I dunno. His work on AGT and the VMAs was awful... but he had some of our own fooled at D23. This is all very confusing.

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