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Elmo's World-free episodes don't go over

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by ssetta, Oct 27, 2007.

  1. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Indeed. That is the Elmo I liked & tolerated. I mean, I still like the character himself, but I don't like the corporate monopolization & oversaturation of the character.
  2. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    I todally agree WW. I don't mind the show that much now being tha it isn't all that bad this season. Now i would love to see it go back to the old format with the story inbetween other then it being all at the first of the show. I mean don't get me wrong i like them no matter what but i want the show to have all the way though. I don't see why they can't go back and still be able to keep Elmo's World in the series. It happened back in the 1999 and oh up till 2003. But didn't watch any of those and that was either because i was at work or hanging out with my friends. It wasn't till i found this site that made me start back to watching Sesame Street.

    Edit: And i know this will never happen again but i just wished it would.
  3. ISNorden

    ISNorden Well-Known Member

    *nods* I miss the days when Elmo was one of the gang, not the show's mascot. Seeing him interact with older Muppets as an equal is pretty rare these days; when it does happen, the writers at Sesame Workshop deserve a little extra credit from us fans.
  4. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    For certainly, Big Bird--as the previous icon--didn't always get central focus, nor did the character practically demand center stage like kids seem to want from Elmo these days.
  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I agree, it sort of sends the message that you must enjoy what's popular and ignore the rest. I don't want my kids learning that so soon in life, heh. Elmo is fine but it would be nice if the characters were equal.
  6. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    And Lord knows that The Muppets themselves--including those from the Street--didn't start out as popular.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The puppet of Elmo actually existed even before that. So that would make Elmo technically around since the 70's, where he was mostly unnamed, and performed by numerous people.

    Nothing would get me happier than having the kids not have an EW in an episode. But bothering them means we lose another bunch of audience members to Nick Jr's crap tastic line up of shows pretending to be interactive. Brother, if you ain't a video or computer game, you ain't interactive.

    Personally, I have always felt EW should be a standalone show for younger audiences. I agree with Norden here... it is basically 90% fluff. I do like the E-mail segment and the cartoon channel inserts, and the occassional wisecrack from Elmo... but do we REALLY need to ask a Baby how it uses a tissue? Especially since all it does is drool and grab Elmo's nose? And do we really need to know a birthday cake can't tap dance. If your child's seeing dancing cakes, then you may want to contact a physician...
  8. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Speaking of said drivel, why do kids of today eat the stuff up? It's not entertaining, nor is it truly beneficial for said kids in the long run, anyway.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Cuz it's hip? Seriously, I feel that people would set their selves on fire and jump into oncoming traffic if they were told it was "hip." And that's not something new, either.

    And how hip are these? take a show called Yo Gabba Gabba... the characters were designed to look like 1970's Japanese kids shows, something I give them credit for. Apparently, they're so hip, Kid Robot made large vynal dolls of them for adult collectors. BUT don't be fooled. It may look like a 1970's Japanese kid show, but Brother, it doesn't feel like one. I've seen some of them myself, especially Kure Kure Takora (look it up!), and it's pretty violent, weird and wild stuff. Curse Kid Robot for not getting the license to Kure Kure Takora instead.

    But this is starting to get wildly off topic... suffice to say, a LOT of the changes SS has made reflected the Nick Jr. style of programming. Journey to Ernie was meant to reflect Dora and Blue style of education.... of course, frankly, SS did a better job when they actually worked with it. Even then, everything BUT EW and occasionally Hewo Guy has been erased from the show... JTE, Monster Clubhouse, and especially the epic failure of "Time to Play."

    The point of the matter is, SS wants to change back to the glory days... but they smurfed themselves royally, and can't change out of fear of losing that audience.
  10. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    I've always wonder if SW were to stop their way of how they produce the show and go back to the old way how many of the audience would they lose?

    Look at all of us older fans. Would they gather more of them up to start watching it again that is to get enough to start making it like in the older days or would it just go right down the drain?
  11. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Well, if they hadn't of caved in the first place, we wouldn't have this problem, honestly.
  12. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Yeah. I always thought they should've just shown EW on Fridays. It could be sort of a "treat" for the kiddies.

    Wow, that was random, Lol.
  13. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Sort like of the special line at the end of Mr. Rogers' "Good Feeling" song.
  14. ISNorden

    ISNorden Well-Known Member

    Elmo's World is a standalone show in every other country that broadcasts it, if I recall correctly; it's only the American version that gets "bundled" with Sesame Street. I'm no expert on children's TV, but I suspect that happened because the foreign Sesame productions (when they exist) are still geared towards older viewers than the US version. As long as that's true, Sesame Workshop will think of "spinning off" Elmo's World as financial suicide over here; the smaller the audience gets, the fewer corporations are willing to fund Sesame Street.

    Get out of my head, Drtooth! :) If I were a producer for the show, I'd cut that "ask a baby" part out and not care who missed it. Considering that most of the audience is barely three years old--do they really need to see another kid their age or younger sit there, not really caring or teaching anything? They won't be ready for school if they think that just sitting there and looking cute will earn them good grades.

    Tell me about it: as I said a few posts ago, any kid who tries to bounce a birthday cake or feed his toy train a snack has developmental problems worse than anything a parent could blame Sesame Street for!
  15. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    And ironically, Sesame's own producers were the ones to start claiming characters had behavioral problems.
  16. ISNorden

    ISNorden Well-Known Member

    I'd guess that was partly because of worried parents complaining, and partly because so much research goes into an episode. Sesame Workshop has early-education scholars and child psychologists taking a fine-toothed comb to every detail. That's usually good for the show; but eventually a staff member will analyze the wrong thing to death, or place blame where it doesn't belong. (Why do you think they turned Cookie Monster into an amateur nutritionist? :concern:) Overreaction can ruin anything, even a TV show.
  17. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Agreed. People over-analyze too much, honestly.
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I dunno... being the pig I am, as much as I'd love to eat a cake, I sometimes wanna drop it out of a window to see it become a nice, grouchy splatter... :grouchy:

    But it seems anything that was intended as a running gag or inside joke they're stuck with, and they can't remove without fears of the kids getting restless. For the trillionth time, I once did some number crunching, and If you cut out a lot of the junk, EW would run 5-10 minutes long, instead of 15.

    And did I ever tell this story? One time I was watching Sesame Street, and EW was on... at one point, there was some tape error on someone's end, and the screen froze, and Elmo's laugh was echoing over and over, like a stuck record....



    and I didn't realize something was wrong until 5 minutes later.....

    So even small cuts should happen.

    I still think spinning EW off would work if they put it on directly after SS every time they air it...

    I've been saying that for years. it's a shame the child psychologists and professionals that once helped shape the show have totally misshapen it.
  19. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    They've mishaped a lot of things.
  20. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets Well-Known Member

    I think that mean for it to run as long as it does to stall for time for something...

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