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Frank Oz: "New Muppets Too Cute"

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Beauregard, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. muppet maniac

    muppet maniac Well-Known Member

    I will say that, after reading the article, he does have a point there - about The Muppets not being as cutting edge as before. But I also have this to say to Oz, which I've brought up about a jillion times before: At least Disney didn't give us a live-action/CGI "satirical adaptation" of The Muppets (like Scooby-Doo) that tore apart the characters' charm and innocence, was filled with toilet humor, some innuendos here and there and maybe a Disney Channel star or two (or more) thrown in, all of this done without any involvement of the Muppet crew (as in the performers, writers, producers, etc.).
    Now THAT'S something Frank and the other Muppet veterans should be up in arms about. Thank goodness we didn't end up with that kind of movie. :)
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's all a matter of perspective. I do think the new film sort of kind of compares with the old ones and holds up as slightly weaker than the classics, yet I think it holds up MUCH better than the newer films, MFS especially. But when it comes to outside cinema, kids movies especially, it holds up as good as anything Pixar or Dreamworks on a good day manages to do, but completely surpasses most kiddy films that are by far the most insipid executive driven pieces of dung imaginable. At best, they're poorly cast with fart jokes shoehorned in to get a PG rating because no one dares see a G rated movie anymore. I still can't get over the fact that Fart Shoes brought fandom to the brink when Alvin and the Chipmunks and Hop got away with consumption of fecal matter. In KID'S movies. No matter how you play that for laughs, it's revolting AND sick and wrong on various levels.

    There was a point brought up by someone that this film was a little too fast paced compared to the older ones. I can agree to that (though I blame a LOT of it on editing). But other kids films are so breakneck dizzying 3-D ADHD, that it seemed to get an unfortunate radiation from them, if anything. I mean, that's the only reason why they had to put the Smurfs in New York, to have them run around like chickens with their heads cut off as fast as possible, while making nods to pop culture. Rather than a quieter, dignified Medieval adventure like the superior Smurfs and the Magic Flute. Even adult movies are more sonic paced than need be. The only thing The Muppets suffers from is being a current film, in that case... conversely, it showed that the Muppets can work in a modern movie.
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  3. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I just know for the first time the Muppets that I grew up with are finally back and have that spark in them that has lacked for so long. At least IMO. Without this film I know for a fact I wouldn't have came back as a fan. I'm probably more of a Muppets fan now then I ever was as a child. Heck this movie is what made me join MC. And I still value everything Frank has to say even if I don't always agree with him. I have just as much admiration and respect for him as Jim Henson.
  4. Twisted Tails

    Twisted Tails Well-Known Member

    I have that same feeling too. My mom (Jane), started loving the Muppets again right after we listened to The Muppets soundtrack and The Muppets Take Manthann album on my iPod. My dad not so much and he started making fun of them. Ugh! He knew the Muppets today were "too cute" for him.

    My mom also said that the original Muppeteers are either retiring or are gone. Oh well! We still had a great time. Besides, "life's a happy song when there is somebody at your side to sing along."
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  5. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    I think there is room for the Muppets to have some of the cuteness it has gotten more of over the years mixed with some of the old fashion 'it's a PIG and a FROG dancing to opera' oddness they had back in the day. It would just take the right group of writers. I don't think they've 'fallen' so far that it is a beyond help issue:)
  6. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Well-Known Member

    I just watched the movie earlier this week, and I completely agree with you. Don't get me wrong, it was a good movie, but it was very emotionally manipulative, almost too cutesie in some ways.
  7. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    I agree. I hate that movie myself.
  8. Twisted Tails

    Twisted Tails Well-Known Member

    I didn't like it either, but I LOVEd "The Muppets." I thought the movie was too "sentimental" and I didn't get it.
  9. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Really? I loved the new Muppet movie.
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  10. Twisted Tails

    Twisted Tails Well-Known Member

    Okay, I was kidding. Sorry! :sigh: Anyway, I loved the new Muppet movie too. Like I said, I am an extreme Muppet fan and my mom... heh... dshe is a plain Mupppet fan. Duhh!
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  11. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    A "plain Muppet fan", eh?

    I'm a Pepperoni Muppet fan myself with extra cheese.
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  12. Plaid Fraggle

    Plaid Fraggle Well-Known Member

    I thought I was the only one! :coy: What it was to me is a nice tribute, but the tribute part about it was clubbed across the audience's heads time and time again. It was sweet, well-produced, and fun, but "Pictures in My Head," the entire character of Walter, and the plot being rallied around the aim to bring back all the Muppet love, etc.--no matter HOW much I liked or didn't like each thing individually--was a little much.

    This is only my two or three cents though, of course :)
  13. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    I can agree with that. I did love this movie, but it's still not my top favorite Muppet production. There were some things that were just a little overdone, IMO.
  14. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    It's better then what they were putting out. XP
  15. CBPuppets

    CBPuppets Well-Known Member

    as far as I know he still has some involvements with Sesame Street!
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Quoted for TRUTH.

    Emotionally manipulative is still better than completely lobotomized. I mean, I like the newer Muppet movies, but they had a LOT more missing than this film did. If they didn't make this film, they'd've made another film just like the last crop where something's there and too much is missing at best. We'd probably have to feign excitement through another classic retelling or theme movie, we'd say, "eh, it's okay, I suppose" and then hate it 3 years later.

    Also, why is this still an issue?
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  17. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Well, yeah, there's no argument there. Please, don't take me saying that it "wasn't one of my favorites" as me actually hating it. I certainly don't hate it. Heck yeah, it's way better than what was put out in the past. Still, it had its flaws. Not to say that everything the Muppets have ever done is perfect. I don't think it's possible for anything to be exactly 'perfect', at least in the sense that not everybody is going to agree on everything.
  18. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Don't really think it's an issue just people are still wanting to comment. I ask myself that question a LOT of times "Why are things still an issue?" butttttttt that's another story. :p
  19. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Umm...only RARELY as far as I've heard.
  20. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    And I'm quoting this because I agree! :)
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