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Frank Oz: "New Muppets Too Cute"

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Beauregard, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    Hey, if I was Oz, the last of the original trio of Juhl, Henson, and Oz (Jane retired early), I would feel kind of offended by the executives at Disney passing over a script written by my dead friends and collaborators in favor of some upstarts' fan fiction.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    BUT... Cheapest was also unfinished. I don't know about anyone else, but having something like that passed over seems better than having someone else finish it, making it something it's not. I don't know if they got Frank on board, but I'm sure they'd shove a lot of at the moment pop culture references in it, turning it into something less than what it could have been.

    Plus, that is a VERY risky concept for a movie. It could only have been pulled off after a long series of successful films, or if Jim were still around.

    Part of me thinks Cheapest would work, but I also think it's too high concept. There's a lot of potential to pull off theater of the absurd, but a LOT can go wrong with the concept. Plus, how would making jokes about running overbudget go for 90 minutes and not get stale? I could see things getting deteriorating slowly, but all and all, it seems like a 90 minute stretched out Monty Python skit that could dangerously go overly long, even with the best of writers.

    And if we want to get technical... they did manage to chose at least 3 other inferior concepts over Cheapest to begin with. 6 if you count the telefilms.
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  3. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    Loving the Muppet episodes on the Sequel cast. So far I really agree with everything you guys have said! You've also made me chuckle on a few occasions - folks, give it a listen :)
  4. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    That's the reason why I've thought that "Cheapest" might work better as a TV special than a movie. Either that, or have the concept of "Cheapest" as the exposition for the rest of a movie. Though I think the idea of a TV special works better.
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  5. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Surely that's the whole point :p
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If they ever did a Muppet sitcom type show, it would work as an episode. Even as a special. Unless they had an amazing script that managed to be funny and deep with the concept, something tells me the jokes would get stale around the (generous) 50-60 minute. And would we see Gonzo making the movie or the even more experimental finished product? That way we'd get something sort of like, but not quite, a 90 minute version of this:

    HEH! No joke intended, but I have a feeling that's how it would end. Just completely petering out like Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Us die hard Muppet fans might like it, but the lack of ending would surely drive kids nuts. I used to hate Butter Battle Book for that reason.
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  7. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Lol just a fun thought...it's funny Frank called this film "too cute" yet this is the first Muppet film to receive a PG rating! :p
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  8. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    First theatrical one, yes ("It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie" and "Muppets' Wizard of Oz" were both PG), but if anything, that was probably done to draw more attention.
  9. Sequelcast

    Sequelcast Member

    Thanks very much, Reevz1977. That's so kind. It has been fun doing them, although a bit exhausting. Covering a franchise that has more than 3 or 4 movies requires stamina.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    As this TV Tropes article points out that a PG rating is less than useless.

    So basically, ratings are given to movies based on underhanded dealings by a bunch of people who make the Mafia look honest. It is virtually impossible to get a G rating now, and not that any studio would want it. PG is the new G.
  11. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    Y'know, it just makes ya wonder, right now, many kids these days feel that G movies are baby movies and that PG and up is good entertainment for them. So if PG ratings are basically replacing G, what's that gonna do to that? Are kids gonna suddenly think that PG movies are for babies and only watch PG-13 and up? Cause that will give the movie industry one heck of a problem...
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but by then, PG-13 movies will be made for 7 year olds.

    There's a sneaky reason why indie films are judged in a different light. Remember the movie "Bully" that they gave an R rating to (or was it NC 17) because of cuss filled insults that every schoolchild is the victim of? A film that every kid should see? A film that would, if it was the pet project of some celebrity, would get a PG-13 rating for the same language? The ratings system is broken. I've seen G rated PG rated films one time too many. That's what the heavily required fart joke in a kid's film was. Took me forever to get it. To put "Crude Humor" on the rating so a cussless, violence free, kiddy film can get a souped up, completely fake PG rated G movie. Even Pixar doesn't do G rated anymore.

    Look at Hunchback of Notre Dame... G. It uses a lot of biblical terms that, even when used as biblical terms, are considered cuss words. Not to mention Frolo's fiery villain song wouldn't be appropriate for a G movie, since it's all about him not wanting to be seduced sexually and trying to blame her for it, as he's the infallible Holy guy.

    Yet, I will say Rango IS what a PG movie should be. Even that Pirate claymation thing. Cussing, violence, actual crude humor... stuff that the littlest of the family wouldn't appreciate.
  13. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Yeah that's ridiculous; they clearly should have made an exception and if absolutely necessary just put a disclaimer at the beginning. Ratings are useless if they're just mindlessly implemented.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Our good friends at the MPAA, right? :attitude:

    They absolutely hate independent film. It takes people away from bad Adam Sandler comedies and in name only live action versions of cartoons. But that's not even the strangest case.

    A certain Matt and Trey movie I can't mention got an NC-17 rating while South Park (which had arguably more offensive material) got an R, JUST because of studio association. And even in the case of the South Park film, the MPAA wouldn't let them use the original title [heck] Breaks Loose, because they couldn't attach trailers of movies with less than an R rating to it.

    They ruin our movies with an iron fist. Someone once told me they're the jerks behind region coding.
  15. DarthGonzo

    DarthGonzo Well-Known Member

    The MPAA planned to give South Park an NC-17 rating and Parker and Stone had to fight pretty hard to get that rating down to an R.
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I wonder if the case of the other film which can't be mentioned was a fight they couldn't win.

    Still, they HATE indie films. In a "Hey! Get off our turf' sort of way.
  17. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Ugh that makes me even more resentful, lol.
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Hey! They tried to stomp out home video at one point too... but I could go on and on about that.

    Suffice to say, I don't see why The Muppets was PG. Heck, darkest Muppet Movie that was theatrically released was MTI, and that's cuz they shot a guy in the opening number.
  19. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    :mad:: Personally, *moi* thinks a good Muppet movie should be rated PiG!!!
  20. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    At the Rifftrax Live show last week, in the slide show of quips and jokes before the actual live feed/movie riffing, one of the slides made reference to Frank's quote...and then obliquely slammed him for having performed in the Star Wars prequels.

    Now, I love Frank...but yeah. I laughed.
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