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Has Sesame become less educational?

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by beforemyway, Dec 27, 2004.

  1. Docnzhoss

    Docnzhoss Active Member

    Well said. I agree totally with both points. Potty humor is totally unnecessarry. Did Bugs Bunny ever bend over and let one slip in Elmer Fudd's face? I guess I'm not sure when quality of television slipped. Did it begin with Beavis and Butthead? I think Ren and Stimpy were just a bit before B&B, so is Nickelodeon (also responsible for Spongebob)to blame? Or perhaps a show I often credit for being intelligent and witty, The Simpsons, are at fault for giving us the underachieving Bart Simpson. I know The Simpsons sometimes turn to naked behinds or mild violence to get a laugh, and I know The Simpsons were a huge hit with me and my classmates when they first came on the air (I was in fifth grade, so 9 to 10 years old). Those were impressionable times and as marketable as the Simpsons were even then, maybe they were the ones who got the ball rolling downhill. I hate to point a finger at the show I love so much (The Simpsons are my favorite show on the air), but I'm trying to figure out how it all began (unfortunately, at the expense of anyone who reads this...sorry).

    Okay, that is a fourth rant and I fear that sooner or later, I'll hit a nerve with someone and cause a problem, so I will stop here and offer only monosyllabic responses from here on out. Bye-bye! (Whoops!) Bye!
  2. maxdrive

    maxdrive New Member

    i think seseme street did downgrade they use to have two letters of the day now they onyl have one they cut out mos tthe educational stuff for elmos world i like elmo but he realy odnt teach thing like when he did reading he didnt teach anyhtign really about reading jsut talked about it. I hope seseme street does go back to its roots.
  3. GeeBee

    GeeBee New Member

    Sesame Street has become less everything than it used to be.
  4. I was watching Big Bird's Birthday from 91 (I think) and noticed that there is a lot more to learn when all those little skits are in the show like they use to be. One song was about world peace, another about imagination, another about not giving up, another about numbers. I mean, now it's just one theme for the entire show. Maybe kids are learning less from it.
  5. maxdrive

    maxdrive New Member

    i love the not givieng up one

    its a long hard road but im going to get there

    the enviromete one about water and how every lviieng thing uses it

    and the feelings song about how every body crys

    i think sesame street downgraded because of allt he new shows that are popular that dont teach anyhting like teletubbies and boobah both are shows about nothing.
  6. I don't even know what the heck teletubbies are. It's just a bunch of weird colorful things doing nothing at all. It's mind numbing. How can kids sit through that? It has to be some kind of hypnotic thing and thek ids just sit there whille their parents drink or something.
  7. maxdrive

    maxdrive New Member

    same thing with boobah its nothinging at all just a bunch of farting round things who make noise how can a show like that be on pbs wha tis happening to pbs they did bring back zoom id like to see them bring back other great educational shows like square one and 321 contact
  8. Docnzhoss

    Docnzhoss Active Member

    I know I said I wouldn't respond again, but this post made me laugh.
  9. bigbirdfan

    bigbirdfan New Member

    If Seseme gets cancled I will remember my first time watching it
  10. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    Education techniques have changed over 30 years and educators use new approaches to reach children. Family/home situations have changed. When counting to 40 was done, children also got reinforcement and support outside of sesame street, today when sesame counts to 10 this may be a totally new and difficult principle to some children. The nature of the show has changed to adapt to the children's, educator's, and families' needs. So the show's education factors may not be staring you in the face, many of the things sesame street accomplishes with children are almost non-exsistant to a "grown-up" (such as picking up speach patterns, location/character/object recognision, simple concepts, ect.) since 1969 many advances figuring out how kids learn and changes in how kids are taught have been made, the way the show educates has changed.

    Also the audiance for Sesame Street has changed. The children watching the show today are younger than when it first primired. Most (not all, but most) children watching the show are between birth-five years old; whereas in 1970's it was children from ages one or two all the way up to age seven or even eight. But today many children are exposed to Sesame Street from birth, and now with such a large market of youth television programing on TV, children "out grow" shows and phases faster. Many kindergardeners (5-years old) feel they are too old for Sesame Street now, and want to move on to other children programing they feel is "less baby-ish". Not that sesame street is "baby-ish", but to a 5-year old who watched it as a "baby" they want to move on to something new that they feel is more "grown up" (like say Thomas the Tank Engine, Bob the Builder, Blues Clues, Bear in the Big Blue House, Fraggle Rock...). In another 2-3 years that new show the child takes to is "child-ish" too and they will move on yet again. Beacuase of this Sesame Stree has focused itself on a smaller and younger demographic now, so the show may seem simpler in what it teaches because of this too.
  11. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict New Member

    well i don't know why anyone before age 2 would watch any TV. no one can understand anything at that age.
  12. GeeBee

    GeeBee New Member

    Yeah, what's next? Sesame Street for fetuses and embryos?
  13. Docnzhoss

    Docnzhoss Active Member

    Darn tootin! If mommies-to-be can put classical music up to their pregnant bellies then by golly, they can put recordings of Ernie and Cookie Monster up there, too!
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    GelflingWaldo and Hays seem to be the only people who really understand the real story behind this. They really know how to put their thoughts into an unbiased fact-based answer.

    Other than that, it's all the same angry fan rants about "Oh boy.. Elmo is dumb... where's some character that hasn't been on since the early 80's." I understand you, and I feel the same way... but keep this in mind...

    IT'S A KID'S SHOW!!!!

    So the question is, has Sesame Street lost its educational hold? Yes and No. Yes, as in they only have one letter and Number of the day, and they have what seems to be less of other things, but here's where the no comes in. Different ways of teaching different things. Times have changed, and as much as we all would like the classic episodes and skits to be used more, the sad truth is they can't. Kids like Elmo. He's more personal to them than Guy Smiley and such. And remember, kids like to see kids on TV over adults. Kids like to read books about kids. hense Harry Potter's popularity over... Scarlette O' Hara. Plus, they are teaching newer stuff, like More Spanish words than just uno, dos, tres, and Hola and Adios. They are teaching about different cultures in every episode via Global Grover. They didn't lose any educational value, just tweaked it.

    Besides, I don't recall the SS characters talking about "Frustraited" until now.
  15. GeeBee

    GeeBee New Member

    Don't shout Elmo-lovers, don't shout...

    That's not what nostalgia's about...

    But, if you cannot take...

    The posts that we make...

    Turn off your computer and pout.


    :)
  16. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict New Member

    un i think i understand very well. maybe i disagree a little bit about there's reasons for the changes
  17. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    Thanks, I guess all those college classes I took on education and teaching came in handy for something.



    With that logic you shouldn't talk to your children until they are able to understand you either. Watching TV/videos/movies is good for children (in moderation). You shouldn't stick them in front of the TV for 8-hours a day, but some TV is good; the sounds and images do stimulate growth and development of the brain. And it allows them to connect images, actions, sounds, events, and movement. You'd be surprise on how even at a very young age the human brain is able to comprehend alot more than many give it credit for.

    Here is a small example of a youngster understanding TV. My young cousin was around 16-months old (could not talk yet) but could connect the image of Elmo on TV with his stuffed Elmo toy (he realized they were both Elmo). He would was what many would call "mesmerized" by the TV when Elmo was on (even the sound of Elmo's voice got his attention) -- but other things on TV he did not care about. At that young age he could connect the Elmo on TV with the doll he was connected with (as many children are with a stuffed toy); he would hold up his Elmo to the TV, smile and laugh. The same type of connection can happen if a child sees their mom, dad or someone/something else close on TV. Young children can understand TV -- just another level than they do later in life. And they can still learn from it (they pick up speech patterns/habits, learn patterns and event cause/effect, action/motion/sound connection, and much more). People under age 2 can watch TV and get something from it.
  18. Gonzo's Goof

    Gonzo's Goof New Member

    I don't know how much less educational it has got. I guess it depends on what aspects you’re talking of it teaching. We never had the world segment that Grover does now, what I have learned some things on that I didn't know. Instead when I was growing up Grover was a waiter talking about some fly in the soup, and there was that guy that danced on the glass in the bathroom never was sure what he was to be teaching. I will say I wish Elmo's world would become it own show to give back 15 min of time. But for all the other stuff of environment and that, remember what time we live in now. If you talk world peace you will have someone boycott you or claim you’re just a liberal show. Heard the other day there is a Boycott for PBS because of Buster Postcards, showing a family with two moms. They also listed SS has one of the shows that parents shouldn't watch because of references. So I think like most entertainment everyone is playing it safe not to look to wishy-washy.
  19. AmazingMumford

    AmazingMumford New Member


    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ABC 123 Pigs in a Tree, Don't ever put down Classic Sesame, ABC 123 Drtooth is Mean, come on and sign along with Gee Bee..................
  20. GeeBee

    GeeBee New Member

    People never cease to amaze me. They log on here, make a point of reading the posts of people who annoy them, and then complain about it as if we forced it on them. :rolleyes:


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