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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by samtheeagle, Feb 17, 2004.
Looks like Mark's on about Chapter 22 by now.
That poor mom who only wanted a muppet comforter has now run for zee hills from MC.
I hope not! Maybe we can all pitch in and make her a muppet comforter...
Hmm, that actually doesn't look too bad.
But that's only because I like logos. Other than that, just replace "Disney's" with "The."
is that real the pic i mean
I think it looks kind of scary! It looks so much better with the Jim Henson's muppets, they should always keep the Jim henson's part in it. If Jim Henson never existed its not like Disney would have thought up the muppets on their own.
Hey, I like new members too. I said it was maybe a coincidence. But of all places to post your FIRST post, why here? And then the numbers for "yes" Disney go up.
Just makes me laugh a little to myself.
Hee heh heh
As for Luke, yes, we agree to be different. I was just providing some recent news about the Disney way of things, which is to say that THEY DON'T GIVE A DARN about integrity.
Calling Vidalgo a true story when it is pure bunk. The forum moderator says that Disney has "veiled" racism, too. I toally agree.
Ah, Disney, you STINK like a pile of Oscar's garbage left to ROT in the summer daytime
Heh heh. Man, do I hate those guys
Disney's Muppets - Good thing or Bad thing?
I not sure yet, but I think it may be a good thing. Only if Disney gets rid of Michael Eisner. But I do think the Henson Company should have held on to the Muppets. If Jim Henson and Walt Disney were alive, I think it would have been a perfect match. But Jim and Walt are not alive. So I hope that they can get rid of Eisner as fast as possible. Or I seriously think we will see the down fall and I hate to say it, but the disappearance of the Muppets.
*chockes back a barrage of laughter* Best post in this thread.
*crosses arms* Nice Work.
(If anyone understands that, you get a cookie)
I have a few questions regarding the contracts drawn between the two companies in light of this merger...
Is anyone aware of what specific rights Disney now holds to the Muppets franchise and is it limited only to distribution and/or production or does it pertain to the individual characters as well?
Can Disney, under contract, decide to break ties with the Henson company in order to produce and create new projects under their franchise using the classic Muppet characters if they were to so chose?
How much determination and pull will they now hold in terms of oversight into new Muppet prospects, i.e. - feature films, television specials, DTV releases, etc?
Finally, how does everyone view the potential viability of the classic Jim Henson works under this new contract?
Should I be anticipating re-issues of classic Muppet films in their respective OAR, Special Anniversary Editions, the potential for heavily cut television specials (Muppet Christmas, etc) to be restored to their original context for future home video release, etc. or be concerned that we will see more lackluster edited fullscreen prints as such we've seen from the Disney company of the past?
What about the potential for Season Box Sets of The Muppet Show and commercial DVD releases for Muppet Babies, etc?
I have been anticipating the release of further volumes of 'Best-Of' discs in the Columbia series for a long while, holding out on purchasing the current Muppet Show sets in optimism that more might be soon on the way... I am now contemplating whether I should scoop the current issues up while I can, or wait to see if Disney will offer the definitive releases that this show deserves?
Can anyone offer insight or opinion?
I'm not sure what the contract stipulates between these companies so right now I'm not really sure what to expect. I would like to know what those w/ discernment would think of the potential for some of the issues raised above?
I would also love to get some advice on whether I should shell out the dough for the current Columbia Muppet sets while they are still available, or wait to see what Disney offers as it is a pretty expensive collection and would be a shame to have to double dip on a 15+ DVD set in a year or two down the line...
Disney now owns all of the "classic" Muppet characters. The deal is NOT limited solely to production and distribution. Basically, Disney can do anything they want with the characters--from filming new movies to building Muppet attractions in their theme parks to producing new merchandise.
My understanding is that Henson has a sort of limited-term "consulting" deal as part of the sale. So, it reasons that they will be involved for the recent future. I don't know if it's an exclusive contract as of right now, but at some point (maybe right away) Disney will definitely be able to produce their own Muppet projects without Henson involvement.
As far as new projects, it sounds like Disney has already begun a few for television. Obviously, Disney has sole control over what projects get made in the future.
For older Henson stuff, it's a mixed bag. I'd imagine we'll see Muppet Babies and The Muppet Show back on cable TV within a year. Also, some older specials like Muppets @ Walt Disney World COULD be released within the first couple years (well, we can hope...). Muppet Family Christmas probably won't be released in its unedited form because Disney does not own the Sesame or Fraggle characters. I highly doubt they'd spend the money to secure the musical rights for a 15 year old TV special which co-stars characters they don't own (or profit from).
Anyway, hope this answers some of your questions. Also, a lot of that is obviously my opinion. There are people on the forum who can provide better "insider" insight. If anything above is incorrect, please post here with the correct (or more detailed) information. Thanks.
And even THEN it won't put an end to the debate among Muppet fans. Because at the end of the day, people will believe whatever they want in spite of evidence that might prove them wrong. When we do finally get to see the new Muppet "Wizard of Oz" movie, I'm willing to bet there'll be the same intense debating that there is now. There'll be people who like the movie and say "The movie wasn't bad, I knew it things wouldn't be do bad" or those early fencesitters or naysayers (like myself) who say "hmm..maybe this means that Disney owning the Muppets won't be so bad after all" But then there'll be some people -- eternal pessimists, determined to believe the worst, no matter how good the movie might be will gloat and say "See? I told you it would suck. I TOLD you Disney would ruin the muppets!" Like I said, at the end of the day some people will believe whatever they want in spite of evidence that might prove them wrong.
I've been reading this thread since it started, but untill now have stayed out because like other people, I say we really can't say right now what this will mean. It's too early to make any predictions as of yet.
" Because at the end of the day, people will believe whatever they want in spite of evidence that might prove them wrong."
Whose evidence then?
No, we are too sophisticated Muppet fans. We know the difference. And the others in culture know, too. In this months SPIN magazine with kurt Cobain on the cover is a small story about the Muppets. It says they are now "googly-eyed Pizza Hut shills" and the writer is RIGHT. He also says they were once "exceedingly cool." ANd he is RIGHT.
Then he reviews the new DVD of the Muppet SHow.
People who like the kiddie crap will like the new movie, and those people like all kiddie crap, and will say "Oh, better this than nothing! It will improve! It's not great, but I am happy with anything! Don't be negative!"
It will be stupid and cheap and it will SUCK.
Mark, out of curiousity--what would YOU do with the Muppets? Obviously, you're not a big fan of the Disney purchase or anything post-Jim (which is somewhat understandable), so what kind of projects would you like to see?
I wonder how long the Muppets will remain puppets until they're 're-imagined' into some other form that's easier to mass-produce.
ooh don't say that!
yes this is a man after my on heart. For both Disney and Henson money is the bottom line. I don't blame them, but I do look down on it. Though I don't blame the Henson Kids-at least not all of them. I really feel sorry for them. They've grown up Jim Henson's kids, I'm sure they never had a normal life growing up, and have had a huge burden of carrying their fathers business---not to mention they lost their father----that alone should cause everyone to cut them some slack.
BUT there is no excuse for whoring out the Muppets to Pizza Hut and Denny's. It puts me in such a bad mood every time I see that.
Plus, who cares is Disney is Evil-Anything would be better than what the Muppets have been subjected to as of late. I’ve always got the feeling the Henson Corp, although very nice, has never had the best of business sense.
Has everyone forgotten the EmTV fiasco. Isn’t it a whole lot better for Disney to own the Muppets, than The Father Land?
That should be on the Graph. Disney, Henson, German, or Other.
Lets have a new survey that could be fun.
The Disney acquisition has positives and negatives, but it has a lot more positives than the EMTV acquisition ever did.
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