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Indiewire: Does Muppets Most Wanted Have Oscar "Best Song" Potential?

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by LouisTheOtter, Nov 5, 2014.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Dude... if anything from the Muppets is passed up, I at least hope "Everything is Awesome" gets a nod.
     
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  2. sesamemuppetfan

    sesamemuppetfan Well-Known Member

    Yeah...a little too much...
     
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  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but let's be honest... the Best Song Oscar didn't go to some pretentious ethnic band singing about how horrible something is from a depressing "prestige" picture, and it went to a people pleasing song that time. And seriously, the BIGGER miscarriage of justice was that Blame Canada lost to the sappy, saccharine Tarzan movie song. Though, it DID give South Park a great passive aggressive revenge episode. I almost wanted Book of Mormon to lose to see them react to that one. Also, it wasn't that crappy song from Rio, which thankfully the judges thought sucked too, cuz it worked to our advantage. Though the Captain America song should have got a nomination. But it would have won it.

    As for the Muppet songs, well... I don't think there's anything as strong as Man or Muppet, but I'd say I liked the original songs overall better to TM's. I honestly can't chose which of them I'd love to see compete. The sequel one sounds like a solid choice, but I'd say the wink and nod humor of the lyrics would put it as a disadvantage. I'd prefer the patter quality of The Interrogation Song, or the wonderfully warped Cockatoo in Malibu bit. Something so Right has that urgent penultimate act closer/last act opener feel to it.

    Other than that, I think Paul Williams wrote the bull song from Book of Life. But that was pretty under the radar, it's likely it wouldn't get a nod. But if there's no Muppets on the short list, at least Paul Williams should get a nomination.
     
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  4. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    How did they not advertise any music from Book of Life? I still haven't seen it, but it seems to have plenty of songs. Someone dropped the ball in marketing this movie.
     
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It has some songs in it. They just don't really advertise music in movies anymore. Maybe with the exception of Frozen after it became a hit. But Paul Williams did write at least the music of the film's powerful song about Bullfighting. It's a major spoiler, but other than that, it just flew under the radar considering it's low 17 mil opening.

    And let's not forget that Boxtrolls song from...ehh... you know. There was plenty of big songs in films this year. I hope the Muppets can manage to get at least one of theirs nominated.
     
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  6. Princeton

    Princeton Active Member

    Even if multiple songs from MMW get nominated, "Something So Right" will win. Most Best Song Oscars go to 'pretty' songs, and SSR is the only song that fits that category. My favorite is "Interrogation Song" but I would be psyched if that one even got a nom. Now to go back thirty years, is anyone else still as miffed as I am that none of the songs from MTM got nominated? "Saying Goodbye" and "He'll Make Me Happy" are definitely Oscar-worthy.
     
  7. Amampersanda

    Amampersanda New Member

    To me, a song has Best Song potential when it sounds like it was really made for the movie. I remember people being mad Happy didn't win last year, but it just doesn't sound like a song from a movie. It sounds like a song that was bought for use in the credits for a movie. There were no ties to film in the lyrics.

    I think any song from MMW fits that criteria. You know it's an original song made with the film in mind so I'm really hoping we can win this one next year.

    I was pretty surprised Indiewire picked Interrogation Song and I'll Get You What You Want but not Something So Right. (Granted those two songs are my favourites)
    SSR is so good. It's emotional, Piggy sounds great, the other Muppet's sound great, and really, how can you say 'no' to Celine Dion when it comes to an award?

    Who would turn down the opportunity for Piggy and Celine to perform live at the Oscars together? That would be amazing to see.
     
  8. sesamemuppetfan

    sesamemuppetfan Well-Known Member

    For real though! As I've mentioned before, one of my younger sisters (after having heard the song, as well as seeing the movie for the first time) claimed that there's nothing original about the song, and that "a 4th grader could have written those lyrics!" Why she has the nerve to think like that is beyond me.
     
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  9. Amampersanda

    Amampersanda New Member

    Kids these days thinking they're so edgy. psh
     
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  10. sesamemuppetfan

    sesamemuppetfan Well-Known Member

    Well, she's a senior in high school to begin with. Secondly, she's the type of person who will take things a little too seriously, and there were a pretty good number of things in MMW that she felt the need to criticize. But, you're right though about kids today.
     
  11. WalterLinz

    WalterLinz Well-Known Member

    I just read on Twitter that Something So Right, We're Doing a Sequel, and Cockatoo in Malabu are among the 79 songs that are running to be Best Song nominations!!:fanatic::fanatic:
     
  12. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I saw that too! Great news! It'll take a little more good luck to get one of those in the final nominations, but I like MMW's odds!

    I'm still pulling for "We're Doing A Sequel" to be a major Oscar production number with several other "franchise" actors and characters joining the Muppets. And I'll stick to that wish even if it DOESN'T get nominated for Best Song!
     
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  13. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    Good news: The AV Club's Jesse Hassenger thinks "Cockatoo in Malibu" is a deserving Best Song candidate and gives the MMW music some Oscar love in a new article.

    Bad news: The article goes to great lengths to explain why the most deserving Best Song candidates from 2014, including MMW, may not make the cut when the nominations come out on January 15:

    http://www.avclub.com/article/everything-isnt-awesome-how-rules-ruin-oscars-best-213439
     
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  14. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Well, I guess there were no nominations, well that is sad, really would have been a reason to be rooting for something.
     
  15. I'm pretty disappointed that there is no MMW song nominated. I wasn't necessarily expecting a nomination, because I certainly didn't have much knowledge of what songs might be competing for a spot, but it just doesn't make sense to me when comparing it to the one nominee I am familiar with. I don't see how "Everything Is Awesome" could be selected over any potential MMW song. I think the song worked well for its movie, but I find it very simplistic in both its lyrics and music. To me Bret's songs are much more well-crafted, I love some of his instrumentation, and I don't understand how "Everything Is Awesome" could be considered "better".

    Obviously the "what makes a good song" debate is not unique to this case. And others here have already mentioned the same things I would have: the song or movie's popularity, the South Park example, etc. But it still bugs me.

    Whether or not it would have been the right song to pick from MMW, I would have loved it if a live Piggy/Celine duet could have happened!
     
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  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I don't see how "Everything is Awesome" is getting the brunt of the complaint when, no doubt, a bunch of crappy, emotionally manipulative, dreary and shallow songs always get the cut and are no doubt on the list and will no doubt win. I've seen plenty of awful songs win Oscars.

    It is disappointing the Muppets got a big fat snub, but let's face it... even when they were nominated, they were snubbed. Except that one time when the only other song that was nominated was in meh third party CGI film Rio. And even then, that was a stroke of luck that didn't win. Mind you, they completely snubbed the song from Captain America, even though the music was written by Alan Menkin. Seriously, if that were nominated, it would have won.

    I don't see why this is the big outrage when it took Man or Muppet to give the Muppets a win. Didn't they lose to some lousy song from a Sally Field movie? It's like the outrage over Brave winning over Paranorman and Wreck it Ralph instead of the Satashi Kon's film released that year not getting a nomination and Happy Feet winning. That's, like, a thousand times worse. I'm pretty happy with the animated movie selection, but let's face it. The Oscars are where the dreariest, most depressing, political message-iest films go to get acclaim so Hollywood's off the hook for Blended.

    I'm pretty happy at least "Everything is Awesome" got the nod instead of "Death is Sad" from "Some guy dies through the whole movie."
     
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  17. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    A song that could have been written by a preschooler gets a nomination, but any muppet song does not, the oscars are just bizarre.
     
  18. WalterLinz

    WalterLinz Well-Known Member

    While I do love Everything is Awesome and am so happy for it, I had no idea it'll become an Oscar nom.XD

    Also, I read that the Lego Movie is nominated for Best Animated Film at the BAFTAs.:p
     
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  19. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I guess my Best Animated Picture preference goes in this order:

    Boxtrolls
    Big Hero 6
    How to Train Your Dragon
    Song of the Sea
    The Tale of the Princess Kaguya
     
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  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Facepalm.

    You actually saw the Lego Film, right?

    Love how that's the song that gets the hate and not the same maudling crap that usually wins the awards. In fact, Everything is Awesome's probably the only song from a movie people have actually seen. I'm disappointed too, but considering the other nominations, the Academy has it's head up itself for going for the artsy fartsy cred. Last time I checked, they didn't even nominate Paul Williams's work in Book of Life. It's a somber song in a fun movie, and it's probably a LOT deeper than the other entries here.

    Blame the Academy, not The Lego Movie. And never forget "Rainbow Connection" lost to some forgettable crap from Norma Jean or Nora Joan or whatever that thing no one remembers is called.
     
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