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Is there an overrated/underrated Muppet production?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by minor muppetz, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. TML

    TML Active Member

    I think that VMMC is extremely underrated. It is the best Muppet production since MTI. Kermit is the center for the first time in ages, they're back in the theater, Scooter is in it. The gift of the magi running joke at the beginning is classic Muppets. I love seeing how the Muppets turn out without Kermit too.

    I have always thought Muppets Take Manhattan was overrated. I'd rather watch MTI. Even as a kid I got bored watching it. Nothing will ever top TGMC. Best gags and songs by far.
     
  2. Gelfling Girl

    Gelfling Girl Active Member

    Yes, it's not the best Muppet movie, but it's certainly one of my top picks of the post-Henson films.

    I'm not sure I would call it overrated, but I certainly preferred the other two of the first three classic Muppets films.
     
  3. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Well-Known Member

    Not to nitpick, but I'm a girl. BeatnikCHICK, get it?

    Unless you weren't referring to me, in which case, disregard this message.:)
     
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    While I was talking about Muppet Show-related productions, I can't help but feel like Follow That Bird is underrated. Most of us here seem to like it, but it's rarely brought up in interviews with the cast or performers, and it's rarely acknowledged much in biographies and documentaries relating to Henson and Sesame Street. In Jim Henson: The Works it's only mentioned in the timeline section. In Caroll Spinney's book it's briefly mentioned twice. It's not mentioned at all in Sesame Street Unpaved or Street Gang. At least the 40th anniversary book gives it a good amount of coverage (even if it doesn't include any interesting facts about the production).
     
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    If you're asking about who wrote the post he was citing that I was citing...well there were several people making the same point. I just picked one that happened to be male. Nothing personal there, I assure you. And Johnny Fiama is a fantastic avatar to have no matter what your gender.

    I understand fan's problems with the Muppets being represented by tween stars, but we must accept that the Muppets are for everybody and that includes Miley Cyrus. She's not my first choice, but the kids seem to like her and that's what the SDC spots were all about.

    Not every guest on the Muppet Show was my favorite. There was one star in particular that I later saw in concert in one of the worst productions of Anything Goes I have ever seen. Because of that, I don't enjoy her TMS episode as much as I used to. But hey. Someone's tastes were represented there, the Muppets did a fantastic job and even Big Bird showed up for that episode. There's always a bright side! :wisdom:
     
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Well, FTB is something that had a better life on VHS than it did in the theaters... a LOT of movies were like that. Hence why a lot of flop movies become cult favorites. I;m sure Jim would have been happy to know while Dark Crystal and Labyrinth didn't do exactly as well initially as he thought they would that generations of fans have been watching it on DVD and VHS. That's the way movies go.

    Heck, UHF... that was not only a commercial flop, but critics were downright nasty to it. For years, fans were paying through the nose for used VHS copies (before it came to DVD that is). It happens.
     
  7. seradarkness

    seradarkness New Member

    I know that quite a few people will probably disagree with me here but I personally find the Steve Martin episode of the Muppet Show to be completely overrated and it is actually the only episode of the Muppet Show that I have watched so far and actively disliked. I think that the set up completely jarred me but mostly I just didn't find Steve Martin funny in it, instead I found it rather embarassing to watch. However obviously that is my opinion and I have loved him in other things. (His appearance on the Little Shop of Horrors was the highlight for me :D)

    On the other hand, apart from the ending I do actually really love Muppets from Space and have lost count of how many times I have watched the opening number. It's not the best of the bunch but I think it perhaps deserves more credit than it got, especially in regards to the later 'Muppet Wizard of Oz,' which wasn't completely awful but meh, glad it wasn't the first Muppet thing I ever saw.

    My bf on the otherhand thinks that Bohemian Rhapsody is incredibly overrated and one of the worst of the virals. I of course seriously disagree as that was what got me back into the Muppets in the first place :p

    Each to their own I suppose.
     
  8. Skekayuk

    Skekayuk Member

    I'm neutral about the Guest Star in that episode. However, I think in a way the set up was good for a one-off. It produced a space to include some interesting ideas. Some of which were terrible, and some of which would get developed further subsequently, for example having a "girl" singer to rival Miss Piggy. The performers' talents were tried and tested and stretched by working in a differnt set up. It's also the first appearance of the best TMS Jugband. Oh yes, and what about the tomato.
     
  9. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Speaking of that, could that be the case for most Henson movies? As far as box office performance goes, The Dark Crystal has the second highest-grossing box office success of any Henson movie, after The Muppet Movie. Since TDC was consdiered a flop, does that mean that all Muppet movies besides TMM weren't as successful as they seem, or just that The Dark Crystal was a flop in the sense that it was so expensive to make that it didn't make enough box office reciepts to cover production costs?
     
  10. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Time to make people mad :D

    I think The Great Muppet Caper is overrated. I just cannot watch that movie all the way through. Theres just something about it that I did not like. I cant really say what. I thought the Happiness Hotel song/scene was the only good thing in that movie. Maybe I thought the plot was just to cliched or something. I dunno.

    And I also like Muppets From Space :p

    And actually, I think the Dark Crystal is overrated (though, overrated may be a subjective term here) too. Tat movie is just too long and boring. The characters all move really slow and nothing seems to happen. However,its a great movie in the sense that it showcasesthe possibilities of what puppetry can acomplish. Just as a movie for enjoyment...blah
     
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Wow, the total flipside of my opinion. Must be an age or generational thing, but I commend your bravery here. A tip of the crushed bowler cap to you! :o
     
  12. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    The Great Muppet Caper is my favorite of the older movies :\. It's not a generation thing, I think grouping us into generations by likes is a bit silly :).
    Really, I think too many people may be linking overrated with 'I don't like this'. I mean, if we are doing it that way then just about everything muppets is overrated and unrated all together...
    I think it comes to todays tv, everything older than MTI is underrated to many non-fans. I actually think Fraggle Rock, Labyrinth and The Dark Crystal are very underrated, and The Storyteller even more so. Anything that doesn't showcase the main muppets is almost always forgotten to people that don't still remember them...
    As far as the main muppet go I think At Disneyworld is very overlooked to :).
     
  13. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The nods to classic cinema in Caper and the sublte, quiet moments in Crystal cited in that post pointed to that being the case in *that* particular instance. I never said it was *all* instances. sigh...:rolleyes:
     
  14. Gelfling Girl

    Gelfling Girl Active Member

    Eh, my dad doesn't like GMC or Dark Crystal either. Can't vouch too much for MFS, though because I hate sci-fi (but love The Twilight Zone) and disco/funk. :p
     
  15. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    In some cases, to think something is overrated does coincide with not liking it. It just happened that what I thought was overrated I did not like. But there are lots of things I think are overrated that I do like. None of them are muppet related so they are irrelevant :p
     
  16. Powerstars

    Powerstars Active Member

    MUPPETS WIZARD OF OZ!!! It wasn't a GREAT movie, but the worst one? I also think the Muppets Christmas Carol is overrated. Good movie, but not as much as everyone makes it out to be.
     
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Yes.... Yes it was.

    The project suffers from too many failures to want to list... but the biggest problems were a rushed project all around, stunt casting, and overall just sticking with a bad idea of retelling a story told too many times (and not enough times done right). it has moments, but not quite enough. Had it even had a few more months, maybe a year, it would have been at least servicable. Even a better actress as Dorothy. Actually... an actress as Dorothy.


    I completely agree. It's a beautiful, well written, well crafted movie, and a wonderful retelling of the overtold tale. But overall, it's pretty dull as a Muppet project. The Muppets seem like they've become the cameo guests in their own movie. Instead of Kermit and Piggy walking into a restaurant and having Steve Martin as their waiter, Michael Cain walked into the past version of his school boy days, and Sam's the teacher. Fozzie's his old boss and has like 5 lines... yet a human that Scrooge dated, though integral to the plot, gets a full musical number to herself. Compare that with Mickey's Christmas Carol... Daisy Duck plays the exact same role, and gets less than 2 minutes combined screen time.
     
  18. Powerstars

    Powerstars Active Member

    Okay, re-watching the Muppet's Wizard Of Oz, it's okay. It probably is the worst. It suffers from one of the same problems of Muppet Christmas Carol. The main role goes to a human, and she does a bad job anyways. Ya know, I was expecting Piggy as Dorothy. I do like Toto as Pepe though. Oh, and one of the lines just makes me cringe. "What do these things do?" "Oh, nothing, those are my nipples." Gonzo doesn't even HAVE nipples! Oh, another scene I liked was the one with Tarantino. But, yeah, for the Muppets, it's pretty bad.
     
  19. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    MWoO is where I really started despairing that things could ever get better (thanks Jason Segel for proving me wrong, hehe).
     
  20. Powerstars

    Powerstars Active Member

    Yeah, after MCC, MTI, and MFS, MWoO seemed like the nail in the coffin.
     
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