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Is there an overrated/underrated Muppet production?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by minor muppetz, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I honestly think Muppet Christmas Carol is overrated. I love Muppet babies. Like someone said I'd much rather watch Muppet Babies then have Dora trying to make me go deaf! :rolleyes:
     
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  2. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    No offense but take it to a Disney Channel thread. Your statement has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
     
  3. Powerstars

    Powerstars Active Member

    I feel that MFS is underrated. I just watched it again. The singing isn't really missed, or it wouldn't be, if we didn't have to listen to funk. But really, I love it, it's awesome. I also feel Kermit's Swamp Years is underrated.
     
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    MWOZ was just incredibly awful. Even with MCC, MTI, MFS, and VMX, there's a good story somewhere. But Oz was just jarring moment after jarring moment. And I say this every single time, why did they have to film the thing like it was an episode of the 1960's Batman? I had a horrible cold at the time, and it made me feel even dizzier. I find the whole movie darker and more disturbing than Kermit's alternate reality in VMX. Even though I found out what Rave Monkeys sucking on pacifiers means (give you a hint... it's very illegal and something Sam would never do which causes them to grind their teeth), at least we can take solace that the scene in VMX was to disturb Kermit. There's NO excuse for MOz Being disturbing.

    MFS could have been a good movie if the director didn't screw it up... but that can be said for most movies. I want to know the logic of having the Muppets sing something ruin the emotional carriage of the movie, while random funk tracks that don't fit with the movie at all were considered more acceptable. But it's a very good Gonzo movie. It's a very good Gonzo story that had some great depth that the director tried very VERY hard to crush.
     
  5. panmanthe2nd

    panmanthe2nd Active Member

    I agree that MFS is underrated. I watched it last week for the first time in a few years, and although I did miss having Muppets signing, I still really enjoyed it!

    I haven't ever watched Kermit's Swamp Years, but brought it a couple of weeks ago, as I saw it for £2. I'll watch it soon!
     
  6. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Kermit's Swamp years IMO wasn't terrible, I mean I didn't think it was good but it wasn't so bad that I wanted to throw it out the window like mumbles "wizard of oz" lol! It had good parts in it.

    I mainly just bought it to have it in my Muppet collection. :D
     
  7. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I already like you :D
     
  8. Borples

    Borples Active Member

    This is all subjective, of course. I see MFS has already been covered, so I don't have to come to its defense. :) What about Muppets Tonight? Outside of the fandom, no one even seems to remember that show existed. It had some big guest stars, some great new characters, some laugh-out-loud moments, some (well, a few, anyway) iconic musical numbers, and lots of general Muppetness. It also had its problems and missteps, but it didn't deserve the treatment it got from ABC or its early cancellation.
     
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Muppets Tonight was a show even the writers had trouble with... and once they finally got on track of what they wanted for a series, thing got canceled.

    I find Muppets Tonight a flawed masterpiece. There were a lot of strong concepts that somehow didn't gel right. Clifford was made host to make it look like a late night talk show... but with sketches, and more sketches than talk. Some of the skits worked beautifully, but unfortunately, most of those were UK specific skits. There's a lot of GREAT pop culture jokes like Seinfeld Babies and Co-dependance Day... even Kermit's Once in a Life Time cover. But there's stuff that was clunky and didn't work... Deep Dish Nine, Bay of Pigs Watch. Basically anything with the Pigs (except for The Tubbsmith segment... but UK only, again). But when they did those brilliant second season episodes that took characters out of the theater and gave them deeper storylines like when Beaker left for the Star Trek Cruise and Bunsen was just a miserable wretch (try and tell me they're not more than lab partners after that), and the series finale, Johnny leaves Home... that stuff, I hate to admit, was a lot deeper than what they could do on the Muppet show. Just for that one little aspect of taking the characters out of the theater.

    Too bad ABC basically didn't want it anywhere in the schedule.
     
  10. AlittleMayhem

    AlittleMayhem Well-Known Member

    Me and my family adore Muppet Treasure Island, so I was really surprised when a lot of people either said it was boring or that the last good Muppet production was Muppet Christmas Carol. Okay, so Jim Hawkins could've been better, but for what it was, it was an okay performance. And I never got the modern-rat-tourists running gag, but it still made me laugh. Aside from that, it's a great movie! It has great songs, a good script and has both the goofiness and randomness of the Muppets while staying true to Treasure Island. And c'mon! Tim Curry, Billy Connolly and Jenifer Sanders! Need I say more?
     
  11. Powerstars

    Powerstars Active Member

    Gee, thanks, Floyd. And you too, Dr. Teeth face.
     
  12. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    My family did try watching it back in the day but quickly turned it off; it just didn't hold our attention. It didn't feel Muppety for me, though I really wanted to like it. I loved the Muppets so it was disapointing. Maybe given time it could have worked itself out, it does happen.
     
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I prefer MTI to MCC. At least it feels a LOT more Muppety.

    But It's a shame they don't have Clueless Morgan around anymore.
     
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  14. AlittleMayhem

    AlittleMayhem Well-Known Member

    MCC I still really like, I just prefer MTI. Me and my sisters kind of have this mini-war with our cousins on which is better. XD

    Clueless Morgan was awesome! May his wise words live forever.
     
  15. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    VMX is underated. It has some really off moments wich I think makes people not like it, but emotionally it so great. Some wonderful scenes...I love Gonzo and Kermit singing, I love the restored Muppet back stage (wich was much better than the version in the MUppets). I love seeing so many Muppets classic and modern being used. The whole bit with Whoopie and the angel didn't work for me in retrospect, but I still like this one.
     
  16. CaseytheMuppet

    CaseytheMuppet Well-Known Member

    I love VMX! I too feel that is underrated. Some people I know thought it was the worst Muppet production! :mad: I love the mix of Henson/1970's Muppet feel of it, as well as the modern celebrities and songs. Very much like The Muppets! :) Pepe and Rizzo really shined in this movie, too bad they were barely seen in the new movie. :sympathy:
     
  17. Great Gommzo

    Great Gommzo Member

    I think Muppet Christmas Carol was overrated but appreciate it was the first one since Jim's death so probably difficult for all involved. I think Great Muppet Caper is very underrated, and while MCC is on telly over here (UK) every Christmas, GMC hasn't been shown since the late 80s. The Disney World special was also underrated and as far as i'm aware has not been shown over here since around 1990/91.
     
  18. miss kermie

    miss kermie Well-Known Member

    The only thing for me, is MFS.
     
  19. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I enjoyed VMX yeah trust me it had some bad parts but ironically did not hate it as much as some people did. I had very low expectations to begin with when I first watched it but I found I actually enjoyed it. Trust me it ain't got nothing on MFC but it wasn't as bad as LTS! Besides like most people agree you could say this was Steve's first break out role as Kermit. It was nice to see it shift back on him. Because he was more a costar in MCC and MTI. And he definitely took a backseat in MFS.
     
  20. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    Extremely underrated: Muppet Treasure Island. Really, people don't like this movie all that much for some reason. True, it's not super Muppety, but when you really look at it, there's a ton of good lines and jokes and songs. The Muppets (unlike with MCC) really were able to Muppetize the book quite well.

    Overrated: Muppet Christmas Carol. It's a pretty good movie, good songs and that, but the jokes and stuff aren't terrific. It's a good movie, but it doesn't fit the Muppet movie caliber that I think of.
     
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