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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by theprawncracker, Aug 20, 2008.

  1. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    BINGO! Im not saying there aren't other talented writers out there who would be appropriate for the Muppets but let's be realistic: Jerry wrote for them as CHARACTERS. As PERSONALITIES. He knew what Kermit would do, etc. That's one of the huge things that I think is missing these days.
  2. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    She has a point. MFS, MWoO, & Studio DC were mediocre at best and were obviously not up to the standards lots of fans set for The Muppets. Some however, are just glad The Muppets are around at all, considering that--until recently--they were reduced to simply online stuff & commercials, good or bad.
  3. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's "erroneous". I think it's a matter of opinion. This is just how I feel towards current projects these days :concern:
  4. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well you know, it's not like new people have tried coming out with new Marx Brothers movies in order to make them more "modern", or to keep them in the public eye. That wouldn't make sense. The original movies are classic and well respected don't need to be recreated. That's how I feel about the Muppets.
  5. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    The same could be said for many of Disney's films (especially The Modern Classics of the 80's & 90's), but yet, the corporation still feels that shoddy sequels and even preposterous prequels need to be shelled out. Disney needs to get its priorities straight, because if the company focuses too much on the Tweens, then all the other franchises wrapped up within the company could lose out on maketing deals and various other opportunities, thusly becoming nothing more than precious--and to some, sadly forgotten--memories.
  6. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    Exactly. That's how I feel about all these dumb remakes of classic movies too. Did we REALLY need another "War of the Worlds", etc. The classic stuff still holds up whether it's movies, Muppets, comedy, etc. The jokes and most of the songs they used on the Muppet Show was material harking back to the vaudeville days from YEARS before and it held up well in the late 70's for that audience, so why can't they use that same kind of train of thought and apply it to new Muppet stuff today?

    Why did the Muppet characters have to mingle with Disney Channel "stars" in this recent T.V. special? Why not just do a flat out Muppet special? Or use those people in cameos. I mean I didn't find ANY of those skits funny at all NOR the interactions between the characters and these actors appealing/believable. On the Muppet Show, you believed Gonzo had a crush on Madeline Kahn, Linda Ronstadt on Kermit, etc. That's what made it funny!
  7. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Absolutely that stuff does not get old, even Hannah Montana uses a few old "tricks of the trade" when it comes to humor. ;)
  8. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    The current demographic of Disney cares for the Tweens, plain and simple. We old fans of Disney's original approach--favored by Walt Disney himself, Roy Disney, and even Mike Eisner for a limited time--aren't the ones Disney are trying to aim towards (even if they are bringing The Muppets back), because we're not the demographic Disney thinks it need to market towards.
  9. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    I don't know, I just think there's other ways they can make the Muppets appeal to the younger set without having to pair them up with the Jonas Brothers who nobody's going to care about in another year or so.
  10. bazooka_beak

    bazooka_beak Well-Known Member

    I agree with this. I don't think I need to blindly embrace anything that comes out because it's my obligation somehow, that I should feel grateful because it's "better than nothing." I shouldn't be less of a fan because I prefer the Muppets from days gone past (not to say I don't like the modern Muppets). To blindly accept everything, to never question it or critique it, I don't think that's good :o

    Now, I truely want the Muppets to survive and do well. I love and adore them, as anyone should if they're members of this forum. But some of the recent stuff they've been doing have left a disappointed, bad taste in my mouth (I haven't seen the Youtube or Muppets.com stuff yet, but I will). It's hard to be optimistic about their future projects :/ It's like serving people cake with salt in it instead of sugar, and after two or three tries you say, "Next time I won't mess up, and will use sugar." The people you've been feeding will naturally feel cautious about it, even if they love cake or that particular recipe :smirk: OK, that was a really bad analogy, I'm sorry!
  11. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    Not a bad analogy at all. I totally agree with you. I hate the "so and so can do nothing wrong in my eyes" mentality. I'm a HUGE fan of David Bowie for example. I don't even own all his albums because I truly think some of them are complete garbage with the exception of a song here and there. But I have many of them, and I've been a fan since I was 10 years old, I'm 30 now. He hasn't put out a new album since 2003, 2004. But my fandom so to speak has not lessened over the years. I am always interested to see what he's going to do next and same with the Muppets.

    I of course want to see them out there with new projects, if they're new QUALITY projects. I wasn't nuts about the Oz film or Swamp Years but I bought them on DVD when I saw them on sale at my local stores to have 'em for my collection. I think that's showing my support. But there's other stuff I could care less about. I hated the Muppet Xmas movie that was out in 2002. I have no desire to own it or see it again. watched the DC Live special because it was the Muppets, knowing it wasn't meant for my age range and so forth but holding out hope they would do something fun with them and I was disappointed.

    That's just me, I'm not saying other people here are wrong for their opinions to be excited about new Muppet stuff but we ARE Muppet fans. They already have a built in audience with people like us. I just think something's gotta be done to get the general public into the Muppets again and I think teaming them up with Tween stars is not the way to go. The YouTube videos seems like a good step but we need to see more like that on a larger scale. They have to do something generically fun for ALL ages to get all walks of life into them again and not just be the characters we grew up with.
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I have to admit to personally finding MFS and KSY to be pretty bad when compared to what I deem the classics and the recent SDC did little more for this old fan than to wave some classic Muppets around a bit. But then I see the interviews and web segments of late and believe that's what we'll be getting.

    Many interesting post-Jim Muppet projects falter somewhere in production and it keeps much of their spark from coming through. I hope this new stuff will be able to incorporate what I've been seeing in the brief appearances. :o
  13. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    I don't think the majority on here have that mentality toward the Muppets. Like I said, personally, I have enjoyed everything the Muppets have done. Does that mean I've enjoyed it equally or that there weren't certain bits that made me cringe? Not at all. There have been a few moments in Muppet productions, even in The Muppet Show, that made think, "Well, that wasn't done very well," or "That joke should have been this way," or even "Why didn't they just cut that all together?" I still enjoyed the production overall. It's not that the Muppets can do no wrong to me, but I choose to look at the good in everything they do rather than focus on what went wrong with it. And, you may disagree with me, but I think the good frequently outweighs the bad in most everything they do.
  14. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    That's good and I hope I, in turn, don't just focus on what went wrong. But I think it important to recognize and mention the wrong, otherwise it won't be fixed.:)
  15. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    I'm not saying people here, I'm saying people in GENERAL have the type of mentality that when they like something, they feel they have to like EVERYTHING that musician, comedian, artist, whatever does and to me that's not normal.

    I find nothing wrong with finding good in stuff, as I said in my other post, I've given every post Jim project a chance and yes, in most cases the good projects have outweighed the bad. But I feel RECENTLY in the past several years the misses have been more frequent than the hits.
  16. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    You know I was thinking of how Jim Henson chose to cancel Muppet Show after 5 years, though others would have kept it on the air. He wanted it to end on a high note, in its prime. I feel like there's so much emphasis on continuning the Muppets with new projects, the original material (that was Jim's work) is being forgotten, and treated badly in general (harder to find in stores or on TV, dismissed as "dated").

    Not saying there shouldn't be newer projects ever. But if we want the Muppets to continue, dismissing the classic material because its old is counterproductive and sends a bad message to young people.
  17. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    This is true of anything. Take for example, the WWE.

    The company is cranking out newer stars and new stories. Regarding these stories, there are some of I am fond of (ex: Mr. Kennedy's rise in winning after a streak of losses & Cryme Tyme becoming legit tag contenders) and some I am appalled to see (ex: Nearly everything post-mask that's happened to Kane [sans the ECW title run]), but they are new stories nonetheless.

    However, if the company were to forget its past--i.e. to know what had helped to make it big (mainly Vince's vision and of course, the WWE & WCW competition that created the quality--of not only the talent and stories, but the writing style, as well--that went into what is quite arguably the best era that the 'E ever had in The Attitude Era)--then the company would surely fail.

    I mean, you know how some people have said that The Attitude Era wouldn't have happened without 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin (as many of his moments were key to what many consider to be the high points of The Attitude Era)?

    But think about this for a second...Without WCW firing him, Austin would've stayed within the midcarder level at that company; without 'The Million Dollar Man' Ted DiBiase (Sr.) introducing the then-young Austin to WWE higher-ups, the WWE wouldn't have given Austin a second thought after WCW had fired Austin; without ECW's Sandman personality, Austin would've had nothing to base his Stone Cold personality on; without Vince McMahon becoming this egomanicial mad genius, Austin wouldn't have had an authority figure that his character could abuse (which thus, jump-started the most talked-about fued in Attitude Era history); without Ace Crusher's finish move to inspire him, Austin would be Stone Cold Stunner-less; without the bible stance of one Jake 'The Snake' Roberts, the "Austin 3:16" catchphrase wouldn't have been born, etc.

    And that--ladies and gentlemen--is the bottom line!
  18. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    That's really interesting! I think you can't create and move forward without taking lessons from the past (The Muppets' connection to Vaudeville for instance). Even when you're creating something completely new and innovative and gret, it's not created in a vacumn. Every child had a parent, and yes, even a grand parent. ;)
  19. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    I liked MFS and KSY..I did'nt love them, but I do rewatch them, un-like OZ or A Depressing X-Mas:coy:.
    I have a question on the growing under the stairs thingie for Gonzo.. I can't find anything about it even on muppet wiki:concern:. Is it from a certain episode?
  20. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    I think it was just frogboy's interpretation of how Gonzo came to be.

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