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It's a Great Day to Be a Muppet Fan!

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by theprawncracker, Aug 20, 2008.

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'm the opposite of that I guess, but we know that already.

    I made that stairs thing up. I thought you knew that. Eeek. I'm sorry. That's one of the rationalizations my mind made up for Gonzo's origin. I personally would like to see Gonzo's origins chronicled in completely different ways in several short stories. I think that would be amusing:

    My initial idea had a mold cluster evolve into Gonzo after being hit from a bolt of light from space (kind of like Little Shop of Horrors). This mold would have been underneath the stairs or outside of the Muppet Theater. A young Kermit (in a Scooter-like position at the time) notices the young weirdo and permits him to tend to the chicken coop thus rising over the years into the Great Gonzo we know today. After that story a completely different one would find his origins in Muppet Labs, FedEx delivered from Bombay and being wished into existence by Uncle Deadly to have something weirder than him as company. See, I just like to have all the possibilities out there. But that's me.
    __________ :concern: _________​
    Back to topic, as has been mentioned by heralde - Jim Henson canceled the Muppet Show himself to pursue other projects. I hated that he married off Kermit & Piggy (real or fake) in MTM because to me it was like 'jumping the shark'. While I don’t believe he would approve many of the projects after his death he didn’t appear to have the type of reverence we do for the characters. To him they were the facilitators of comedy, storytelling and kick-a musical numbers. My brain still goes back to his idea of making a hand drawn animated theatrical motion picture of the adult Muppet characters utilizing the Disney animation team. I can see fans fall on both sides of the fence with that idea. I'm just glad the Muppets are tapping back into their roots.
  2. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Like many an artist, Jim probably was unsure about some of his work, whereas most us praise a lot of it.

    To us, they're that and more.
  3. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I guess that's where the Muppet chronology ends for me personally, but in a more positive way. All pov. ;)
  4. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Same, considering it finally gets the frog to commit & gets the pig to have what she's always wanted.
  5. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    That's a good point. Frank Oz always mentions how Jim didn't really care about the puppets as much as he cared about entertaining people... or, as Kermit would put it, "singing and dancing and making people happy." I'm sure he cared about keeping the characters true to themselves, he was that way even with the Land of Gorch. But, as you say, the characters were the facilitators of comedy, storytelling, and music. A means to an end when he first started that became so much more.
  6. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Agreed and now, we wish to preserve what The Muppets have since become to many a Muppet fan.
  7. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    I am gullible, very ^.^. If you make an idea sound real I go looking for it *lol*
    But I disagree with that idea that about Mr. Henson, at least in all his muppets..I think that of all his work, Fraggle Rock was the one that I think, seemed to mean just as much in its deeper meaning to him as it did (does) to we fans, maybe even more.

    It might just be my fraggle fandom talking but I felt that its message of getting along together and music having magic was as close to the heart of him as a person as anything else I ever saw him do...

    FR might be looked down upon as not being as 'mature' as the other shows, but I think that is only at first glance, and its maturity is actually a deep rooted undertone to all the 'fun and silly' parts:excited:. Sort of like Mr Henson himself:)...But that's just this one little fans POV on the matter *hides*:o
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Here's a little dilemma.

    I'm in total agreement with this thread in that now is a great time to be a Muppet fan, but there's a couple of "official sources" over at the Newsflash forum reporting trouble with the DC ratings and rumored axing of Segel's Muppet film. The wet blanket posters of Muppetdom rear their heads again. I'm not surprised. This usually happens when things start percolating for the Muppets and honestly some of it is warranted by a spotty track record.

    Over the years inside information has lead us down a lot of empty Fraggle holes. Much of this information has been anonymously posted so there isn't even a track record of accuracy in statements. I tend to dismiss even internal rumors because nobody really knows what's happening except the very top executives. That's the way of most corporations (with the exception of the smarter IT guys - they know everything). I tend to go with press statements and what is official. Everything else is gossip and speculation (that is fun, yet unreliable).

    Grrr. The naysayers.

    This does put me in a speculative mood. Could Disney be waiting to see the performance of second DC project and election special before funding the Segal picture? I sincerely don't believe the first DC specials luke-warm ratings has any relevance seeing how the time slot was yanked about and barely promoted at the last minute. I see Disney's confidence in the Muppets. Is there anything to state otherwise?

    There will always be anonymous web folk typing out everything from project cancellation to (and I've read this a few times) sticking them in a drawer and setting fire to it! I choose to believe in the viability of the characters. That doesn't make me a Pollyanna or a brainless fan cheerleader. I see as the same sort of positive thinking Jim had. And I must note that this nicely dressed 20-something dude walked right by apartment yesterday and he had a brand new bright green Kermit satchel bag around his shoulder! That speaks more to me than any anonymous source charting Disney Channel figures.

    What are your thoughs?
  9. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    I might talk about how I'm not 100% sure if an movie will do well, but I will never be one of those people is all I can say :excited:! I never wish or talk about things being canceled ether..I dunno, I don't want to jinx anything :). Debate and worry is one thing, but thinking is sure to do badly and there is no way to make it do well, and everything is beyond help and doomed for the muppets is just crazy Boober talk IMHO -.-.

    The trouble is that the people in control of saying if a show is doing well or not often:
    1) Put the show they are not sure about on at a weird time or don't tell hardly anyone about it and
    2) Base their idea of doing well on a tiny group of viewers and make the show for them, forgetting about the bigger group of fans. So if it does badly with the tiny group they think it is awful, but if they had made it for the bigger group that would have watched maybe it would have been better to everyone ....

    It's a hard place to be in by I hope of all things Disney doesn't base weather or not their going to make a new muppet movie on Studio DC -.-. I would think that they of all people can see it is not the muppets better work...
    Why not run a day long showing of all the classic muppet movies and then make up their minds based on what comes of that?:)
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I actually like these Gonzo origin story ideas so much that I'm thinking of making my own little mini comic of them. I really don't need another project, but you know - Muppet energy's got to go somewhere! I am an artist so handling both parts wouldn't be too difficult (sample art of what one of my wijits looks like). I'll probably stuff this bit in a file folder for a while.

    There is an old Spinney story of his helping Jim with an Ernie and Bert sketch years back. Jim slightly kicked the Ernie puppet out of his path in a way Caroll found thoughtless. This resulted in Caroll apologizing to Ernie which Jim found very odd. He wasn't as precious with the puppets as he was the message, comedy etc.

    I remember defending my Fraggle Rock lunchbox in the fourth grade. I loved it so and still have it! Fraggles tend to repel the more cynical minded. I feel bad for anyone that can't hear the Fraggle message. Even Boober could hear that (he's my favorite). They have a sweetness that I never want to lose.
  11. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    Your lineart is so crisp :flirt:! *lol* I have lots of good ideas for drawings but I am lucky if I can even do my little doodles:p.

    I've always been attached more to things and animals than people, so I would have said sorry to Ernie to :).

    FR is a nice safe place to me, since I have always been optimistic, and more and more the world seems to be going in the jaded, pessimistic, glass half empty way...We need fraggles now, we really do...
  12. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    That would be devestating if Segel's Muppet film were pulled, especially with how he's pushed for it. It has so much support, from the fans and the media... and from Angelina Jolie! Destroying that based on the weak ratings of a fairly weak television special would not be smart.

    I'm sure it's nothing more than a rumor, so I hope you don't think I'm giving hope. But rumors like that hurt some of us fans.
  13. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    I agree with EVERYTHING you've said Jamie (as always :p). I really don't think Greg at The Muppet Newslash would've posted any info on the movie if he hadn't gotten it from an extremely reliable source, but that's just me.

    And isn't it GREAT to see people walking around with random Muppet stuff? I've seen FOUR different girls walking around with Kermit t-shirts since school started--and I've only been IN school for four days! :exciting: The Muppets are back in the public eye again--something that hasn't been true since the days of Muppets Tonight. I think this is gonna be big. And if it's not... I'll refuse to believe it--'cause at this rate I don't see how it won't be.

    GO MUPPETS! ! ! :)
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Thanks. My wijits are actually influenced by the Fraggles, but they don't sing songs, speak their own language, they have teeth and eat whatever's handy. So...um I guess they're nothing like the Fraggles except maybe in my mind. There are five of them. That's something.

    I would have said sorry to Ernie too. I talk to my Muppet posers when inconveniencing them. It’s a little know fact that when working on the Tux Gonzo figure that I named his companion Bernice because she wasn't supposed to be Camilla and I couldn’t in good conscience just call her Muppet chicken when making her. Little did I know Henson and Palisades would run with that name? :concern:
  15. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Hahaha no way Jamie! That's AWESOME! You named Bernce! That's SO cool!
  16. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    The same applies to a few of my fellow college friends. A few times I have seen them sport Muppet wear, whether it Classic Muppets, Fraggle Rock, and even Sesame Street. And why would 20-somethings wear something a few people would consider rediculous? It is simply because Henson was a visionary and his creations transend generations, ignoring age standards (i.e. that [such and such shows] are for [such and such age]).
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I think the name was already there before the action figure. At the time I remembered Gonzo calling out the name Bernice among other names of chickens, but I could have been wrong about that and just used the name of Bert's pigeon pal on Sesame Street. That's more likely. Either way, Henson trademarked it on the box. I like to think of it as my sort of creating a Muppet. I did design her from other chicken parts, but she's basically a generic Muppet chicken. Too bad the brown one and gray one didn't get names. That should have been a contest.
  18. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    I never questioned the name Bernice - good job Jamie.

    Even though we aren't hearing anything more about Segel's project it could still happen. (fingers crossed) Disney did very little advertising for the DC thing so, they shouldn't go by those numbers in my opinion.
  19. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    And let's not mention the fact that quite a few of us here didn't really care for DC's delivery, because it felt as if The Muppets were being considered second rate in comparison to the Tweens.
  20. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Well-Known Member

    Yet another example of Gonzo two-timing Camilla! :p

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