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Discussion in 'Family Worlds' started by travellingpat, Jan 9, 2007.
Lol, I can see that, oh the irony! Well, what goes around comes around!
Oh, yeah. Wonder what that must have looked like...and the following scene is meant purely in jest, don't ya know.
(up in heaven, quasi-present day...)
John: What the...grrr...it's those mucking... (starts on a rant)
(meanwhile, over on Jim and Richard's usual cloud - best place to keep an eye on family, friends and Muppet crew, don't ya know...)
Richard: Ha, ha, your face, Belushi!
Jim: (chuckling softly) Settle down, Richard, settle down.
Richard: Oh, come on, Jim, you're relishing the irony as much as I am.
Jim: (Dr. Teeth voice) Oh, positively. (normal voice) Think of it as payback for that time he pulled a knife on Ploobis.
Richard: Yeah, if Jane and Gilda and Laraine hadn't been there...so, any chance of the Gorch gang making a comeback on SNL?
Jim: We-e-e-ll...I don't know, I wouldn't hold my breath over it.
Richard: Aw, come on, you're immortal. Give it a shot.
Lol, that's funny, MN!
Ploobis: Hey! We did it! We're back on the show! All hail the mighty Favog!
Favog: Wasn't me...must have been divine intervention with a little help from Henson!
Wisss: Far out, man...
The results of the SNL stuff must have been a stab for Jim... one among many. He tried SO HARD to bring puppetry to adults in America and get them to accept it as something other than "kiddie stuff". His mission was always to try to elevate puppetry through the Muppets and the collateral they brought.
If you think about it, the GORCH material is pretty much the progenitor of AVENUE Q, isn't it?
I absolutely LOVE the first season of SNL (or "NBC's Saturday Night"). Like the Muppets, I grew up with Aykroyd, Belushi, Chase, Curtin, Morris, Murray, Newman and Radner via the 30-minute "Best of Saturday Night" edits that were broadcast on Nick at Nite, MTV and VH1. None of these 30-minute syndicated shows had the Muppets, however. I first saw them when I bought a previously-viewed copy of the Richard Pryor show on VHS, which was complete.
During the first season, Belushi and co-head writer Michael O'Donoghue were probably the most outspoken regarding the Muppet situation. Belushi was already known around New York as the star of "National Lampoon's Lemmings," a satire of the Woodstock generation (which also featured Chevy Chase and Christopher Guest). O'Donoghue helped shape the National Lampoon magazine, and later created "The National Lampoon Radio Hour" (the on-air talent included Belushi, Chase, Guest, O'Donoghue, Gilda Radner, Richard Belzer and later Bill Murray, among many others).
Both of these guys apparently felt performing with or writing for the Muppets was beneath them. O'Donoghue said "I don't write for felt," and the writers would draw straws or something to see who would end up writing that week's Muppet sketch. Even this grew tiresome, so O'Donoghue gave the duties to the apprentice writers, Al Franken and Tom Davis.
But I do think that among the cast, Gilda and Chevy both had a soft spot for the Muppets. They seemed to be the two most comfortable working alongside them. Chevy appeared with them in the Raquel Welch episode, and then in the Madeline Kahn episode, where, as previously noted, Favog promises him the Beatles if the Muppets can get back on the show.
Personally, I don't mind the "Saturday Night" Muppets. I think it was cool that Lorne Michaels was willing to give Jim a chance. I believe Albert Brooks and Jim Henson were the first two people Lorne contacted to work on the show, even before the cast was hired. I think the Muppets were at their best on the show when they were out of Gorch, and mingling with the various hosts (did the hosts request working with the Muppets, or did someone not turn in a Gorch sketch in time?) I'm thinking of the Anthony Perkins, Raquel Welch, Candice Bergen (Christmas show) and Lily Tomlin episodes in particular. I liked how they broke out of their own world and sort of incorporated themselves into the show.
I believe the last appearance of the Muppets on SNL was on the debut episode of season 2, hosted by Lily Tomlin, in which the Muppets are stuffed in drawers and sing "Whistle a Happy Tune." They even plug the upcoming "Muppet Show" by saying they're not too bummed to be off SNL, because they're going to England to work on a "TV show for children."
I figure this is as good a place as any to mention this.
While I love the Saturday Night Live Season 1 DVD, I would be thrilled if all the Gorch sketches were on one DVD so we could watch them in order... and a documentary on "the decline and fall" of Gorch would be nice.
And while we're at it, I'd like Dog City on DVD, please.
Yeah, we'd see all the stuff we're most interested in seeing...and it'd be a heck of a lot cheaper, besides.
It's kind of funny...Belushi and the writing staff are ranting and raving about how the Muppets are stupid, but you've got Chevy, Jane, Gilda and a bunch of others sneaking over to perform on SS and TMS.
And then, years later, as we've mentioned, the TMS Muppets appear on SNL, which leads to Belushi blowing a capillary up in heaven and Jim and Richard having a good healthy laugh over the irony of it all.
Ahem... Don't forget...
Chevy Chase appeared in Follow That Bird, Jane Curtain appeared in a Sesame Street sketch (would like to know which one), and Gilda Radner was the guest star for an episode of The Muppet Show as previously stated.
However... Loraine Newman was the voice of Mommy Dodo in Follow That Bird.
And of course, one of the later additions to the original cast of not-ready-for-primetime players, philosophy major and former Disneyland employee, Steve Martin appeared as his famous Insolent Waiter character in The Muppet Movie.
So your face Belushi! Though he probably got a double your face when the Gorch Muppets tried to get more airtime by taking over his bee-costume character.
Not only that, but Steve Martin was a first season or second season guest on TMS as well.
Right... Season 2, Episode 8 (208) or Episode 32 of the entire TMS TV run.
That was the memorable episode where Statler and Waldorf's wishes were granted... There was no show that night!
Instead, the Muppets took the opportunity to preview potential new acts/additions to the show and/or cast.
There's a funny bit where Fozzie's nervous about Baskerville taking his place as resident comedian before Kermit reassures him that's not the case.
And then Lenny the Lizard comes out to try out for the show's new MC... Earning a quick dismissal from the frog, and the frog got a sort of "turn about's fair play" laugh from the bear.
Steve Martin was never a member of the SNL cast. He was a frequent host, but never a Not Ready For Prime Time Player.
Rully? Then why was it that whenever he was introduced it was along with the rest of the cast, alphabetically by their last names, just before Garrett Morris and Bill Murray? Thought the hosts were set apart from the rest of the cast, either introduced first without regards to last name alphabetization or by means of Don Pardo saying "...with your host...".
i think it became kind of a running gag that he'd hosted so often he was an unofficial member of the cast..
The only time Steve (or any other host) was mentioned with the cast was on the 30-minute "Best of SNL" edits. These shows were syndicated eps of the 75-80 years, and at the top of each episode, the cast, with the host, was listed alphabetically.
For instance, on the 30-minute edit of the Desi Arnaz show, Don Pardo says, "It's the Best of Saturday Night! Starring Desi Arnaz, Dan Aykroyd", etc.
The complete 90 minute shows always singled the host out from the cast. In the early years they were given "starring" billing, before the musical guests or the cast.
Steve Martin hosted the original SNL between 1976 and 1980 (the second-to-last show with what remained of the original cast). He, along with Buck Henry and Elliott Gould, hosted the most shows within those first five years. These three were often "go-to" guys (especially Henry), if the show needed a host at the last minute. Several hosts booked for the show in the early days backed out (Diane Keaton because of nerves, John Travolta because his reps thought doing the show would ruin his chances at an Oscar win for "Saturday Night Fever"), and Lorne would turn to his dependable hosts. Martin, Gould and Henry never quibbled about material that wasn't written specifically for them, and proved easy substitutes, which is why Buck Henry traditionally hosted the final show of the season. By the end of the season, the cast and writers were burnt out, and working with Henry was easy, as many of the sketches were written for past shows and/or other hosts that somehow never made it to air.
When Lorne returned to SNL in 1985 after a five-year hiatus, Steve came back to host, and he was on and off for the next ten years. I think his last appearance as host (to date) was in 1994, but he has appeared in cameos since then, and participates in the retrospectives produced over the years.
I think I read that Alec Baldwin has one more show to do to tie Steve's hosting record. Today Alec Baldwin, John Goodman, Tom Hanks and Christopher Walken seem to be the most recurring hosts.
What was this thread originally about again????
Oh yeah, Steve once said he never really considered himself part of the SNL group. Despite his "wild and crazy" persona, he considered himself much "straighter" than the others.
I had never heard about the Gorch sketches till this thread. Is there anywhere to view them?
And Winslow Leach, don't I know you from the Tim Burton Collective board?
You mean there's another me floating around in cyberspace??
Sorry, evilhopscotch, that's another W.L. at the Tim Burton board. I used to frequent a Brian De Palma discussion board as W. Leach.
Glad to meet ya!
Aww darn. That's funny though. I might have to note the W.L I know and tell him about the coincidence
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