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Latest Newswire Update on Henson Co.

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by radionate, May 22, 2002.

  1. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    I'm rooting for Disney as well. I at least want "The Muppets at Walt Disney World" to air on ABC once so I can record it. :)

    It would also be nice if Henson gets sold before I start summer school. I was doing a research paper about JHC that was actually due May 16, but I couldn't finish it in time, but my teacher said I can complete in it summer school, which starts June 10. And if I can end the paper saying JHC was sold to (whoever) in May or June 2002 and end on an up note, it would be beautiful.
  2. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Well-Known Member


    Where did you find this info out ?

  3. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    DARN this DVD.
  4. Muppets1985

    Muppets1985 Well-Known Member

    OMG (Screams!! around the house) OMG im sooo Happy all i can say is.... GO DISNEY GO DISNEY GO DISNEY GO DISNEY GO DISNEY GOOOOOOO DISNEY!!!!

    Not to Mr. Eisner: If you DON'T offer the MOST money to EM.tv i WILL flip and thats a prommis(?)!!!

    just think "Muppets @ WDW" on abc in a few months Aaaaaaa... Oh my FOX , Nick (darn them) WB (Aggg i hate them) and others, God lets hope it's Disney Jim WOULD have wanted that! i think! and i HOPE!!!
  5. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member


    Cosgrove Hall is a British production company, a bit like Aardman - who do a lot of animation, films and kids stuff. You can find a fansite about them at :- http://www.nyanko.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/chamb/

    About six to eight months ago i was at a meeting with a company who shares the same management offices as Cosgrove and had various conversations about EMTV/Henson and they apparently were very interested. Then someone knowledgable from here (not sure they want to be named) mentioned to me that Cosgrove were seriously interested in Henson, and since then Cosgrove mentions have come up when i was in Germany, and also in research for my writing at Toughpigs.com. I'm not sure how serious their interest is, or indeed if they are still interested now, but i would think they are possibly as strong a player as HIT Entertainment who are also looking to make another large aquisition - nothing like the money of Disney or News Corp though !

    At the meeting we have been told about ( i don't think its called a document meeting - i just went with what they said) the interested parties would probably see a presentation, discuss the contractual terms of any sale (ie :- what exactly they get and how they can use it) and be told how the sale/bid process will go. Thats just an educated guess though - i've never seen it for myself, and i'm not massively in the know about these things.

    I just wouldn't take everything that press report says as being official - they mentioned some company names but used the phrase "thought to include" - in other words they don't know for sure. Anyhow, when a company worth having comes up for sale (especially with the possibilty of a cheap deal - like JHC) then all the different media companies are usually interested in the early stages - then drop out later. I think it's probably a case of it coming down to Disney and someone else - as we all discussed recently, it looks pretty much for sure that the management buyout is dead in the water, has been for ages, and the only chance they ever have is if EMTV goes bankrupt, or if as the article said, nobody else is interested (which isn't gonna be the case).

    Poor old Charlie Rivkin !
  6. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member


    Cory is joking. In Danny's article he said that Henson had considered a rarities DVD but rejected it because they would never be able to sell enough to make it worthwhile.
  7. matleo

    matleo Well-Known Member

    Cosgrove/Hall? I know of them. They did that real nice "Wind in the Willows series back in the 80's. Actually I just got a few episodes of that the other day as well as their version of the original story. Nice little series. Nut I wouldn't have thought them a bog enough company to be buying another company. Hey like, if you find out anymore will you keep us posted? This is the first possible name I've heardin this tory that's peaked my interest. I'm going to check out that website you posted. I think I'd like to know more about this company.

  8. Jessie

    Jessie Well-Known Member


    Just OOC, how do you know so much about everything? You should be on who wants to be a millionaire...
  9. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Matt :-

    I'll keep you posted on Cosgrove. They are about the same level as 'Hit' who aquired the 'Barney' franchise so if Henson were to go for say, under $200 million they would probably have a chance, nothing in the league of Disney or News Corp though so if those are truly in the bidding then no chance. Cosgrove also did Dangermouse and Count Duckula.

    Jessie :-

    I do all this media schmoo for my job - it beats watching TV all day (well, actually thats what i do). I know there are others here who are better informed and know a lot more than me but they never seem to post what they know. It's a shame because this is supposed to be a Muppet site, not the secret squirrel society. I don't know it all - ask me a question on boybands and i'd be stumped !
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I know after all I've said about Disney that it may sound strange, but as for longevity of the Muppets - Disney is their best bet bar none. It's a cool idea that they may get a special secion of the park (extension of Muppet Vision) and will live on that way. I think that's what Jim saw all those years ago. My real objection is that the Muppets may be reduced to disposable kiddie-fare which would be a shame. And seeing how little respect Disney is giving their new line-up of DVD releases, it is obvious they only have profits on their minds and nothing else. Profits are great, but there should always be more to a project than simply cash. I hope Disney will treat them well...if it happens.:)
  11. Bean Bunny

    Bean Bunny Well-Known Member

    Disney is not the ones

    Disney is the not only ones. Viacom for example, would probably put The Muppet Show on Nick Jr like they did in the late 90s for a while. Most part, all of these companies will try to use the Muppets as dare I say it, "kiddie" programming.
  12. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member


    Disney are giving their Muppet DVD releases poor treatment ?:-

    * Commentary
    * Sing Along Video
    * Making Of Feature

    I don't call that poor treatment - in fact its better than the way Henson and Columbia treated the major first three films.

    The only gripe we really have is the widescreen thingy and thats a corporate decision. It'd be a bonus to have it widescreen but i for one am more than happy with the MTI DVD.

    I totally agree with you and get what you mean though on all other that you said, Disney are their best bet, it'd be nice to see the Muppetvision as Jim imagined it, and there is that risk of the muppets being used as kiddie fodder - but there are advantages and disadvantages to that. I think Diz know what they would be doing handling a brand like the Muppets.
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    luke, bean bunny, BlueFrackle:

    >>>Cory is joking. In Danny's article he said that Henson had considered a rarities DVD but rejected it because they would never be able to sell enough to make it worthwhile<<<

    Eeek, to BlueFrackle, sorry! I was just being sarcastic...oh gosh woulkd a dvd like that be too cool, I was just being a bit facicious to bean bunny's 'muppets @wdw' dvd comment. to bean bunny:
    Oh man! I'm with you, I place Muppets @WDW as one of the TOP Muppet specials ever along with Muppet Family Christmas!
    though that made it to dvd, joint projects liek that will never see the light of day on dvd I'm afraid.
    Luke: I never even read Danny's article on that! Yeah,s adly I think only us on mc and a few others(and JHC employees) would be interested in such a dvd, hehe
  14. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member


    >>It's a cool idea that they may get a special secion of the park (extension of Muppet Vision) and will live on that way. I think that's what Jim saw all those years ago. My real objection is that the Muppets may be reduced to disposable kiddie-fare which would be a shame. And seeing how little respect Disney is giving their new line-up of DVD releases, it is obvious they only have profits on their minds and nothing else<<

    Holy cow! I swear this has to be one of the most truthful unbiased yet very smart thoughts on the possible Disney buyout!
    Yeah, a Muppet extention of Calif Adv/WDW would rock...but on the other hand the Henson properties seem to do better it would seem when it comes to Disney, in 'limited partnerships'(ie: Having all Muppet/Sesame/Bear dvds come out on columbia/sony wonder, but letting Disney manage aspects of bear, and other releases, along with mv3d) And about the Disney dvd thing, usually Disney goes ALL out on THEIR dvds, so its a shame theyre handling of the MTI and MCC is so poor. I guess an example of a poor treatment of a really cool property is the whole nightmare before christmas thing.
  15. Muppets1985

    Muppets1985 Well-Known Member

    Okay what company is the high bider so far? Disney i HOPE!!!
  16. Muppets1985

    Muppets1985 Well-Known Member

    If Disney does get Henson/Muppets ( i HOPE to god, that thay DO !!!) that disney puts these show back on.....

    Muppet babies - on Play House Disney
    Bear in the BIG blue house - on Play House Disney
    Fraggle Rock cartoon - on Play House Disney
    The Muppet Show - on Disney Channel/abc Family
    Fraggle Rock - on abc Family
    Story Teller - weekends on Disney channel or abc Family
    Muppets tonight - Zoog Disney channel
    Animal show - on Play House Disney
    Jim Henson Hour - abc family
    ...etc etc etc...

    ....and Muppet movies like... MFC, MTI, MCC, TMM, TGMC, M@WW and other a spechels on abc family, abc, and Disney channel
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    I still say that cropping the film is "poor treatment" as I have stated. It basically speaks volumes of how Disney feels like marketing the Muppets - only to kids. They have a widescreen version sitting around on a shelf somewhere but are refusing to use it! That is my point on that portion of the subject. Beyond that, yes- the DVD looks great. A sing along though? I'm all for more stuff, but that seems directly marketed to kiddies. That is what really concerns me - although I do own a couple of sing alongs.

    Having a park attraction would be great! I never quite thought a whole Henson World would work because there can be controversies in creating and maintaining a themepark. It would be great if Disney just made an extension of theirs IMHO.
  18. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Well Muppet Treasure Island was a movie aimed more at kids, being a Treasure Island adaptation theres not much more you can do to it - but yes, the extras do tend to be geared up for kiddies and i get what you mean. It's a worry that Disney will market the Muppets just to kids, but then i think the same thing goes for every other mentioned bidder besides Fox !

    If you look at the Muppets when Jim was alive, compared to since he died, the vast majority of output has centred more around children. For the Christmas Carol, Treasure Island, Muppets From Space, and all the direct to video releases - there has only been Muppets Tonight and a few gameshow/talkshow appearances that have kept up the tradition and viewer targets of the original Muppet Show !

    I just hope, as i'm sure we all do, that whoever gets the company spends a large amount on researching the brand and gets it right - hopefully with the promised 'edgy' Fox show they'll get a helping hand.
  19. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Yes, putting the classic stuff (particularly JHH and older specials) back on TV would be AWESOME!

    I wish I knew what the fuss over this "widescreen" thing is. I don't even HAVE a DVD player! So I don't what ANY of these terms mean. Besides, I have MCC and MTI on VHS anyway.

    Also, if Disney (or whoever) buys Henson, what will this mean for JHC's movie (if there is one) and video deals with Sony? Are they expiring soon anyway?
  20. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member


    The movie deal expired long ago. The exisiting TV and merchandising deals would carry on, unless the company buying Henson also wanted to buy their way out of the deals. (like Hallmark did with the Odyssey contract) Otherwise they would start doing their own thing once the existing deals expired. This is gonna be a big factor if Disney or News Corp buys Henson - likely they might prefer to have the Muppets on their own channels, and included as part of their own exisiting deals.

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