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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by radionate, May 22, 2002.

  1. towels

    towels Well-Known Member

    Of course, whoever ends up with the JHC will really be a company that will give Em.tv the most money...but it's a nice thought. (I have a hard time believing Rivkin would have veto powers over this type of sale...

    Actually, a lot of the Disney classics are not truly "original"- Cinderella, Little Mermaid, Jungle Book, etc. all came from outside sources. I don't really have a problem with that...it's the robbing from themselves that bugs me...the whole "sequel/remake-mania".
    I can just imagine some Disney exec saying, "What if Herbie the Love Bug was a Muppet?"
  2. Jessie

    Jessie Well-Known Member

    Sorry to jump in and argue some more, but Lion King was an orginal movie, not based upon any classic or such and I think it was one of the best. Please give Disney some credit...

    Even though Cinderella IV makes me want to vomit...
  3. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Lion King. Hamlet. The comparisons were made during the time I worked at the Disney Store here in Memphis, and nobody from Disney ever said anything different. It was still LOOSLEY based, but my fussing was indeed about all the sequel junk and the fact that they have a ton of really cool characters in Mickey and Co. and never use them and should.

  4. Jessie

    Jessie Well-Known Member

    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

    I still stand by Disney. Afterall, my dream in life is to be Tinker Bell when I gorw up...
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    There was a large debate at the time of Lion King's release that the story was based on Kimba the White Lion. Now I love the Lion King, but it definitely has Hamlet at the very least. I will reiterate that nothing is created in a vacuum. Saying that the writers had outside influences is not an insult - such a practice is expected. If such stories had no influences they'd likely appear really flat.

    I will site Roger Rabbit as an example. It was based on a novel by Gary Wolf, but if you've read it - there really isn't much taken from the book. Disney and Amblin took a concept and made it their own. That's a wonderful thing - the movie is much better too!

    Just my 1/2 cent. :)
  6. radionate

    radionate Well-Known Member

    I just don't know about the Hamlet comparisons. Yeah I see it to a point, but thats streching it in my opinion.

    As for originality, everything borrows from something else anymore. I don't think you could come up with any story line, and not have some similarities to another script. Its what you do to distinguish it from the others that matters.

    I agree with Jamie. The first Roger Rabbit Book (Who Censored Roger Rabbit), is so far different from the movie. The characters aren't even animated, rather they are photographed for the comic page of the newspaper, etc. It's a good book, and I love it, but far different from the movie. As is 101 Dalmations, The Little Mermaid (if you remember she dies in the end), Cinderella (she originally had gold slippers), etc etc etc. Its these little touches that make all the difference in the world, and I think that Disney (at times), is the master of this (although John Lasseter at Pixar could give them a run for their money if he ever indepedently produces films).

    Where was I going with this message? :confused:
  7. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    jessie(lion king related)

    >>>Sorry to jump in and argue some more, but Lion King was an orginal movie, not based upon any classic or such and I think it was one of the best. Please give Disney some credit...<<<

    Sorry to inform ya, but the Lion King(while one of the greatest Disney animated films of all time, and I still want to see the live show) is a absolute direct ripoff of the late great Japanese manga/anime artist Osamu Tezuka's Kimba the White Lion(I think there might have even been some litigation of some sort) There's even shirts with the cub from lion king looking in a mirow with kimba that says 'The Lyin' King'.

    So whoever posted the above is absolutely correct, virtually every Disney classic animated film is based upon a previous story,a nd not off original ideas from the Diz

  8. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member


    Oops, didnt see you already referenced the Kimba the White Lion thing. I will say Kimba the White Lion isnt the only anime Disney ripped off for a theatrical release...a lot of anime fans would say the Japanese animation classic Nadiesco was ripped off into what would become 'Atlantis the lost empire'.

    As for the Disney thing, I will say that Henson cannot continue like it has been in recent years...just able to trudge along, it needs big muscle and clout...there's good in any of the buyouts along as they are out of the emtv fiasco.

    However, everyone expects the big Diz to be the ones...just like people assum the Lakers will win the nba title every year and that brainless action comedies will destroy at the box office.
    So while I have really enjoyed Disney's limited partnership over the years, a lot would agree they are not a preferred choice.
  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I feel that's why Atlantis tanked. The animators took a style without doing adequate research and the film fell flat. I still haven't seen it, but the previews never thrilled me nor did the write-ups. Just an observation, though. Peole know I'm not a big anime fan. It's not for everybody.
  10. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member


    I'm not large into anime, even if my best friend does a comic book in manga style.

    I think the point at one time was missed. I'm not bothered by the fact that Disney takes from story books and creates good movies, and it isn't that I don't realize that every story, whether based solely or not, is still inspired by another story (see prior post somewhere when I said some of my comic strips happen when I'm reading a book of Peanuts strips). You take it and build off it if that's what you're reading, and there's also another problem that comes into play here:

    Similarities. Very close to the time Schulz died, I did a whole strip (at www.rock103.com/crew/funnypages titled "How Does Snoop Do It?") about Buford trying to get to the top of Snoopy's Dog House. Soon after he died, a nationally syndicated cartoonist did the same strip. Did he rip me off, or is this a case of 2 great...or low down...minds thinking alike? I dunno; same thing goes for books, movies, and anything else, so I wasn't knocking that fact.

    My problem with Disney (I liked Atlantis, by the way) is that they DO NOT use their OWN characters for diddly squat. When I see a new Mickey Mouse cartoon or MOVIE, THEN I'll give in to liking them some, but I have lost respect for Disney for some reason. They just forget about the things they own and keep running off on tangents doing other things instead of focusing on what folks already know and love.

    That's my fear if they were to get the JHC; "Hey, We got the MUPPETS!!" When they get them, sure they'll do lots of big things at first, and as time goes along...it's like the kid with a cowboy hat on Christmas day...he has it and is a cowboy for about a month and then he forgets about it all.

    One thing I think folks are forgetting about JHC, and I hear lots of grout about how they need more muscle behind them or that they don't do so well...considering their current conditions, with all the corporate mush they have ended up in for all the time they've been there, they've still constantly produced and kept out there and kept working hard and harder along the way and not let down any. Kudos to them for that, methinx.

    But this is all just my own opinion, and opinions are like onions...sometimes, they make ya just wanna cry.

  11. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member


    >>I'm not large into anime, even if my best friend does a comic book in manga style<<<

    hey, you have a friend who does manga styled comics? does he have a site? I do manga comics to!


    Im trying to remember who else does cartoons or drawing on here...I think everyone on here does some kind of art(whether it be photoshop, quilting, etc) I know mr. frogboy does cartoons.

    ph33r the wackiness
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I actually like that Disney is experimenting and breaking free from their notorious formula. It is crucial for their survival as a company (and artistically) that they keep trying to do new things. That does not mean that they should forget all about their core audience. I could go for another musical animated feature like The Lion King, and I am sure they will do more later on.

    About Disney owning the Muppets and forgetting about them - I really doubt that. I see they will notice the same value in the enterprise as they did with Pooh. There's Pooh everywhere I look! You can't escape the guy! Now they did redesign his look though I doubt that would happen with the Muppets as it would be expensive and unneccessary. And Pooh was already a children's story so they didn't really kiddify him. Will they kiddify the Muppets? That's really the only concern. But Henson seems to be doing so theirselves these days.

    I really believe the Muppet catalog of characters will be a strong and permanent force with Disney if/once they acquire them. I think Disney might exploit them too much, but I can tell you this. The holiday following a buyout would certainly mean that every kid would be getting Kermit slippers from the Disney Store for Christmas. :)
  13. Bean Bunny

    Bean Bunny Well-Known Member


    Any new information on the sale?
  14. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member


    Yeah, there'd better be "flipper slippers" at The Disney Store. :)
  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'd wear 'em. They better make my size!:D
  16. Jessie

    Jessie Well-Known Member

    They had Sulley ones from Monsters INC but alas, my feet were too big. :0(
  17. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    FLIPPER SLIPPERS!! NOW you have my interest captured! Wonder if I can make me some of those for here at home..hmmm.

    He's one of the best artists there is, in my opinion.

    On the boards, there's Smiggy, Frogboy4, and Melonpool who all are great artists. The only ones who come to mind right now.

    I'm okay with mine I suppose. As always with any artist, tho, I can stand room to improve. www.rock103.com/crew/funnypages under the Muley icon, and the puppets are at www.midsouthcartoonists.com

    Speaking of Frogboy4, if you haven't seen any of his work, I hope you get a chance to. Jamie...where's your link for Beakie?

  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Muley totally rocks!

    Unfortunately, my comic site isn't up yet. Here is the link: www.jamesvier.com/crossbreed
    It will be up later this summer (by August at the latest).
  19. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member


    Muley said you rock, too! Then he reminded me of a neat book called Sylvester and the Magic Pebble. It's about a donkey who finds a pebble and becomes a rock. Really a neat little kids book.

    Then, Muley kicked me because he doesn't have such a neat book and began screaming for his agent...but he realized I'M his agent, so he shut up. Sometimes, he listens to me.

    I don't give him nickel paychecks for nothing!

  20. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    Ooooooh! I remember that book! Vey cool!

    I'm going to begin a comic thread on another page. Frogboy's first attempt to stay close to topic ever! This is a momentus occasion! Wow! Nah, it's just that I have heard that some people are having a hard time finding things lately.


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