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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by radionate, May 22, 2002.

  1. Bean Bunny

    Bean Bunny Well-Known Member


    Okay with Brian stepping down from his chairman role, he know that something is happen soon. The first clue is that Variety article where it states that Rivikin and his mystery banker have made a bid. Okay, this might sound a little strange but didn't this artilce state that the company buy back was turned down. :confused:

    On to part 2, If a huge company like say The Walt Disney buys Henson, I believe that it will give a whole ton of media and press coverage such as " It's 1989 all over again, Disney has bought Henson". Henson can know say to all the people who ask them, "Aren't Muppets owned by Disney?". "Now they are." Things like the Disney Stores and Parks can be used for the Muppets and other Hensno creations. Disney relationship with Coke, Kellogs, and Mcdonalds will help promote new Muppet merchandise such as Muppet Ceral, Muppet Juice, and new Happy Meal toys.

    That it for now, I am sure that I will come with some more stuff soon.
  2. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Let's just say we cannot confirm or deny that we have a clue what's going on. Doesn't Phil or someone have some connections? Muppet Central needs to dig deeper into this stuff. 'Cause we care more than anyone else!
  3. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    You can try to contact the JHC folks directly or any other company and they will tell you that there is no information for them to give you. Why? Probably cause there isn't.

    As far as Disney promoting Henson merchandise? Cereal: Croonchy Stars, no longer around; Muppet drinks: Not likely, though a Coca Cola "special can" series (ie, starwars) might be fun; Disney Stores...you seen the junk they're selling now? I used to work for them, and all their stuff just really STINKS now! Their plush is looking better, though. I'm just not that thrilled with the rest of the stuff in that store...all the collectibles and stuff looked better when I was still there.

    I don't think Brian Henson stepped down because of the sale of the company or anything like that; as a matter of fact, I heard long ago that he was thinking about it so he could focus more on the creative side of the company (and I think it was here at MC, or on the old Delphi forums somewhere). If he was stepping down for any other reason, it would have been during the EM.TV sale, which I still say SHOULD NOT have happened.

    I'm still for Rivkin and his posse getting the JHC back in the hands of the JHC...I know folks are going to complain about me saying that, but so far the biggest mistake has been the EM.TV sale, and you have to admit that, regardless how things have been going, they've been doing darn good to keep the company afloat.

    With a burning passion I just don't want Disney or AOL/Time Warner to have the JHC...though, if I have to choose somone besides JHC owning the JHC, between the two, I would go with Disney. AOL/TW and the way they handled the Speedy Gonzales thing still has me steamed.
  4. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Yeah the current crop of press releases aren't really making sense - there have been lots of contradictions so i wouldn't take what each one says as the gospel truth. There has certainly been more interest than just the Rivkin buyback, and if someone like Disney won't pay upwards of 150 million then theres something seriously wrong here. You also have to remember that Allen & Co are about to solicit a second round of bids, so all talk of the sale being as close as next week is totally false, and lots of companies stay out of the running until the final stages.

    <<I don't think Brian Henson stepped down because of the sale of the company or anything like that; as a matter of fact, I heard long ago that he was thinking about it so he could focus more on the creative side of the company>>

    Yeah its old news that he was considering stepping down as chairman but it's come at a pretty wierd time. I think theres probably a lot more to it than that - we shall see.

    I will say though, that the angle on the Rivkin sale doesn't 'sell' me - whats the point in having Rivkin run the company if he doesn't have much Henson help in running it ? Also how do we know his mystery backer isnt some other German company who will be just like EMTV ? I want to see the company go to someone who can give the Muppets all the resources they need - not someone who won't have enough money or creative/promotional power to do anything new with them - it'll be just like those quiet years after Jim died. I just think that if Rivkin gets the company i'll be seriously reconsidering how much time i devote to the Muppets - we may have all this interest from media companies and merchandise companies right now for the 25th anniversary, but the Muppets have always gone through short periods of on/off popularity - come next Summer all the anniversary stuff will have died down and thats when something dramatic needs to happen to keep up the interest.
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    I agree with you. I have never been much in favor of the Rivkin buy-back because it sort of represents a step back IMHO. That and I have heard talk of Rivkin not understanding that there is a 20 years and older market for the Muppets. Under his direction we could be looking at even more kiddie-fare. Ick.

    If not Disney there needs to be a substancial entertainment company backing Henson. Less we forget that it is exactly what Jim wanted for his creations - to live on with a company that has the proper resources and longevitiy. The Rivkin angle just doesn't seem viable to me. It'll be the 1990s all over again. Just my thoughts. It's unlikely anyway. Who is this phantom backer?
  6. Muppets1985

    Muppets1985 Well-Known Member

    **forget that it is exactly what Jim wanted for his creations - to live on with a company that has the proper resources and longevitiy.**

    See thats why i WANT Disney to get the Muppets!

    Note to Eisner: If you don't offer in a bid or offer the MOST money to EM.TV, i WILL flip, and i will get your job and make Disney and the Muppets the greatest company ever!!!!
  7. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Well, I believe his contract expires in Sept. 2006, so you might have to wait a while. Also, you might want to bring a couple of guys from the board. It might ease their fears about who's running the company.

    Just looking at this from perspective.
  8. towels

    towels Well-Known Member

    age of Muppet fans

    For those that went, what effect do you think Muppetfest had on the perceived target age of Muppet fans? Was it a kid-heavy event, or do you think some eyes may have been opened as to the audience level?
  9. Stulz

    Stulz Well-Known Member

    Muppetfest.. age target

    I think that the target audience wasn't nessecarily meant for kids. I mean if you look how it was set up - ther wasn't much hands on interaction for them. Teh kids that were there were gettin' antsy sitting there all day.. my butt was startin' to hurt. (didn't want to miss anything though).

    I do think that the event opened their eyes to how many of us WEREN'T kids OR "30-50" yrs old. I think the notticed that most of the atentees there ranged from 18- 30. That surprised them for sure.. they even said so.

    Look at how they have the Henson traveling exhibit. it has an area where teh kida can feel the fabric and touch and play with it.

    If Muppefest were aimed at kids there would have been alot more stations like and not the museum and collectible portions.

    Here's Looking foward to MFII !!!

  10. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I agree with Chris! I think the targeted audience ended up being more grown-up folks than the kiddies...except one very special and darling little child in a kermit suit.
  11. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Well-Known Member


    Hiya Kevin!

    Sylvester and the Magic Pebble, a book I know well! i love this book when i was a kid! i still have a copy!

    Zack)Rowlf the, funny how great books get around everywhere,Dog.
  12. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I have this book in paper back and hard back, and there was also a small Sylvester doll with a zipper back, you turn him inside out and zip it shut and he becomes the red stone.

    Of course, a guy with a mule for a cartoon character would know about Sylvester. I have too much donkey and mule stuff.

  13. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    The thing with Muppetfest was that it was specifically aimed at the hardcore Muppet fan and a relatively small amount of people, so they would have been expecting the large adult interest as well as the kids. They've known for a long time they've got a fanbase of about 500-1000 adults who are openly 'out' about their Muppet love. It's outside of this fanbase that i think people mean - in the 'real world' the Henson company does seem to think there is a greater kid interest, as can be seen from them making things like 'Kermits Swamp Years' and 'Muppets From Space'. Since Jim died things have been kiddyfied quite a bit and i guess this down to Brian and Charlie.
  14. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>They've known for a long time they've got a fanbase of about 500-1000 adults who are openly 'out' about their Muppet love<<<

    Yay, and Im one of those zealot individuals^_^ Yeah, Muppetfest was definately more for the hardcore 20 something+ fan...I hardly saw any kids there, so I guess the Bear sing a long was for those relaly big kids at heart. Its funny, virtually every modernized country in the world's citizen knows who the Muppets are, yet only a small substantial hardcore element remains. When you have a franchise thats been around for half a century, and whose shows have been shown the world over to billions of people...its amazing out of all that in a modern setting only a microcosm of fanatical fans are left. However, we all know this, 2002...leading up to 2003 is the proving ground...to bring the franchise out of the quagmire of 'nostalgia' and into the modern light where they belong. The sheer demand for the figures, and the fact everyone at least remembers non main 5 Muppet show characters(and of course having all grown up on 'the street') is testament to its hopefully wider appeal.
    So yeah, last year was bascially the hardcore contingent at mfest...this year being in NYC and the fact so much Muppet merchandise and film projects/other stuff is in the works/coming out along with radio print tv etc ads and tv appearences...
    the Muppet rebirth is upon us!

  15. danielromens

    danielromens Well-Known Member

    I really think that Fox or Viacom could do some great things with them. Also for those Theme park crazy folks could have their Universal Studios to work with. You could guarantee we'd see Muppety rides if Viacom gets em.
  16. Tera

    Tera Well-Known Member

    muppets at Universal?

    Ohh! A Muppet Ride at Universal?!? What a BEAUTIFUL idea!
    I have season passes to WDW so I'm there probably once every 6 weeks. I enjoy it a great deal, but its not a place for the Muppets.
    I'm not terribly excited about the possibility of Disney owning the Muppets because they don't seem to have a clue what to do with them. And even tho Muppets3d is at MGM I don't go to that park. (Yeah, call me a blashpemer if you want.)
    The reason is that the only things there that don't absolutely SUCK are 1 simulator ride, Muppets3d and Fantasmic. 3 things aren't enough to get me in the park.
    I'm worried that if the Mouse did a new Muppets ride it would be like the Pooh or Aladdin rides they put in recently; a lame rehashing of old ideas. The Pooh one is just like Mr Toad's Wild Ride which it replaced, and Aladdin is just another Dumbo. The only things they added to Aladdin were the spitting camels, like the spitting fish at Universal's Seuss Island.
    Now Seuss island is ASTOUNDING! I'm a Seuss freak too, so I'm am biased, but they manged to create the feeling entering the World of Seuss, not just a single ride. It is absolutely magical there! It was so convincing that they sucked me completly into it, even though I'm an actor and one of my old boyfriends was doing the live show. (That was VERY surreal - trust me.)
    Anyway, if we're talking themeparks, Universal would be far better . They don't kiddify everything, and the ability of the Muppets to speak to all age levels is what keeps them going. I can watch the old Muppet shows 1000 times with my kid, but if I have to see !@*#&)ing Atlantis one more time I'm going to throw out my DVD player. (To all Atlantis fans, I did like it the first 20 times.)
    So, I'm not supportive of the Disney buy, but I'm not really thrilled about anybody else, either. I hope that if Fox gets it that they will do some exciting programming with it, though.
    Maybe a Survivor-like show where humans and Muppets have to live together on tropical islands... I know we'd all audition for it! Maybe an island with The Electric Mayhem, Clifford and Bobo? They'd all just be too relaxed to vote anybody off...I can visualize Andy and Randy Pig being voted as dinner. Maybe Pepe would pose for the camera in a thong bikini?
    ok, now I'm creeping myself out :)
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Fox is already planning a Muppets series next Spring aside from any sale.
  18. Muppets1985

    Muppets1985 Well-Known Member

    So IF Disney Gets the Muppets, Fox will still put the show on? And if so will it have the Walt Disney logo at the end? And say Muppets (or Jim Henson Co.) (c) Disney?
  19. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The show will likely still go on and I hope that it would have the full support of Disney. They do have media on channels other than their own It depends on the contract I think, but I assume the credits at the end would reflect both Henson and Disney. I know many people have the assumtion that Disney wants to erase the Henson name, but I can't see that being true. Henson is a great brand (though it has diminished some) and recognized worldwide. Along with the Muppets, they are buying the brand and they would be really poor businessmen to drop such a moneymaking name. It simply won't happen - at least not anytime soon.
  20. Jessie

    Jessie Well-Known Member


    Just out of curiosity, why have you watched Atlantis more than 20 times?

    I agree that the Pooh ride is very cheap and I was heartbroken that they took out Mr. Toad's, but I don't think that MGM "sucks." If I remember correctly, they have the new Rocking Rollercoaster which was a lot of fun (0-60 in 3 seconds or something), plus they have Indiana Jones, the Behind the Scenes ride, and the Tower of Terror. And plus MGM is the only place where Mulan can be found.

    Personally, when I went to Islands of Adventure, I spent the least time in Suess World. I love Dr. Suess, but I just wasn't in to seeing it as a theme park. I guess for the same reason that I wouldn't go to Harry Potter world whenever they get it finished in England...

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