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Least likeable Sesame character?

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by Bob1995, May 4, 2009.

  1. Convincing John

    Convincing John Well-Known Member

    Hmm...didn't know Marty did that. I'll have to see if I can find those clips online.

    As for the Murray Had a Little Lamb segments, I understand that it's great to have a Muppet show what happens in the real world and get in there and work with the kids. I just wonder if the same thing could be accomplished with say, Telly. Telly's a great character but not appreciated enough (and why the heck isn't there more Telly merchandise?)

    I don't mind Joey's Papa Bear, though. With all the times Baby Bear is featured now, you'd think that Papa Bear could show up more often. Remember the art gallery visits they did a while back? Those were interesting to see.

    Still...let Grover do "near and far".

    Convincing John
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Horatio Elephant was only played by Marty for Monster Clubhouse. Dave did him ONCE as Mr. On Top Of (from the Mr. Between segment). Horatio basically came out of "We spent a fortune on this puppet, let's get as much use out of it as possible."

    As for the "Near and Far" bit... jeez... just cut the guessing game bit anyway... put a short segment in its place.
  3. Convincing John

    Convincing John Well-Known Member

    Was it Dave in the "Mr. Between" sketch? Thought it was Joey for that one. I'll have to look that clip up. Haven't seen it in a while.

    I thought sure Dave played him in the Elephant Elevator Operator song. He sounded so...Beauregard-ish.

    Not to de-rail the thread, but it made me wonder why Dave didn't play some characters on Sesame Street along with all the other "main guys". What few times he did (like in this sketch), he was brilliant. Goelz is just as talented as the rest of the Muppeteers. It just makes me wonder why he hasn't been lending his talents to the Street.:confused:

    Convincing John
  4. Canadian Fan

    Canadian Fan Well-Known Member

    The one character that really annoyed me as a kid was Gladys the Cow because of her attitude, I mean she thought she was better than anyone else. I don't mind the newer muppets like Abby and Murray.
  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I liked Gladys, a very witty character, I just wasn't sure if she was a boy or a girl, lol. :o
  6. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Dave Goelz was the elephant in the elevator song. David Rudman performed him in the Mr. Between bit.
  7. Convincing John

    Convincing John Well-Known Member

    Ah, David Rudman! That's it. Now I remember that song.

    As for Abby, she doesn't bother me all that much. It's kind of weird that her magic often backfires on the street (like Mumford's did), but in the Flying Fairy School segments, it's almost always Gonnigan or Blogg that mess things up. (Gonnigan does it by accident, Blogg through overconfidence).

    One of the things that kind of bug me about newer characters is that some of them never really interact with those on the street. Take Murray, for instance. He's always off doing his own thing away from the street. So are the Flying Fairy School characters. (Will SW ever make Blogg and Gonnigan in puppet form? It wouldn't be that hard).

    Back in the day, you saw Roosevelt all over the books and merchandise interacting with the gang, but on the actual show, he was seen almost exclusively in the classroom segments. Except for saying "R is for Roosevelt" in that alphabet bit, I don't think I've ever seen him on the actual street.

    I realize that they can't get rid of the block format, but they could have Murray do what Herry did. Remember "Sesame Street Goes to Daycare"? Herry learned something from the kids and taught it to his friends back on the street. Murray could do the same thing and teach it to Grover or Cookie or whoever.

    I think it was Frank Oz that said "These character's cannot live in a vaccuum. They interact with each other." Maybe that's part of why certain characters are disliked, old ones and new ones. These disliked characters aren't being explored to their full potential because the writers are used to them doing one thing well, then they stick to it without exploring other situations for those characters.

    Convincing John
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    There were a few moments outside Monster Clubhouse where Marty played Horatio.

    One of them that sticks out was Elmo's World of Wild Animals (mainly because I remember his truck was raised a little too high, and you could see a black gloved hand raising the rod).
  9. Gonzo's Hobbit

    Gonzo's Hobbit Well-Known Member

    I was never a big fan of Zoe, though I'm not entirely sure why. Maybe it was I just liked other characters better. I haven't seen enough of the newer episodes to form an opinion about the newer characters. I remember a pair of Monkeys that used to drive me crazy.
    I don't have anything against Elmo, I really like him. It's more Elmo's World that I get tired of after a while.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Zoe's a strange one. I remember when the character premired, she was... well.. very odd. She said a LOT of things that were out of left field and she seemed... well... looney. I distinctly remember a skit where Big Bird said something about "Today's shows is brought to you by the letters M and G, Zoe!" (or something like that), and for the next several skits, she was laughing about how it sounded like he said "Lemon cheese Zoe!" That... seemed... odd.

    But over the years, the character changed slightly, and she stopped seeming nuts, and seemed like one of those overly imaginative kids. But I'll give Zoe this... she's a great character because she's the only one who can get Elmo to emote... especially with Rocko driving him up the wall.
  11. Gonzo's Hobbit

    Gonzo's Hobbit Well-Known Member

    Maybe that was it, she seems slightly ditzy to me (or did and even if she's changed I haven't really noticed it.)
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    As a puppet fan in general, I tend to like more complicated looking characters like Zoe, and Hoots, and the like. I HATED when they used homunculus Zoe... the puppet's subtlety and artistry was stripped.

    I personally hate how the first AM's looked. The spotty placement of the eyes and nose... the amateurish look... Thankfully, they were punched up in the second and third season following. I'm really loving the magenta colored one with a different shaped head they use now.
  13. HeyButtahfly

    HeyButtahfly Well-Known Member

    It's Zoe's laugh that's always bothered me. And I would agree that when Zoe debuted she was random and kind of all over the place. I think Elmo is more annoying when paired with her.

    Count me in for the anti-Baby Bear team. The way he talks has ALWAYS bothered me.

    I never liked Humphrey -- the repeating what everyone said annoyed me, and when he and Ingrid would gush about how "smart" Natasha was when all she did was sit there and spit, I thought it was the dumbest thing. So I guess I never liked Natasha much, either.
  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I have to disagree, I kind of like the original AMs, only because I actually like seeing the evolution and improvements of the puppets during those early years: it shows that even geniuses like Jim, with Don Sahlin, Kermit Love, and John Lovelady were learning new things as they experimented.

    But actually, I do have to admit that a lot of the original characters are now looking a little too simplistic compared to newer characters... but there is ONE thing though... with Abby, that was intentional; she wasn't meant to look like a traditional Muppet, because she wasn't, she was a newcomer from a different "world", so-to-speak. However, there are times when they do a bit of a 180 degree turn... like this Walter for the new movie? That is the most generic looking puppet I've ever seen on screen, he almost looks like one of those poorly made, hardly flexible puppets you can buy at Christian bookstores, and it makes me think... was that the best they could do?
  15. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I don't mind the original puppets looking simplistic. A puppet isn't a doll for display, it's an interactive instrument. The look of a puppet is only half the work; the other half is the performance. A puppet looking too complex might distract from the performance.
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I beg to differ

    And that's just one example...

    Henson has always striven to blur the lines of reality with greater puppetry advancements. And sure, nothing beats a simple puppet, but simple can also be complex in its own right!
  17. LamangoNumber2

    LamangoNumber2 Well-Known Member

    I'm starting to not like Curly bear..The puppet's beautiful...But the character....
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    ...the character is barely used on the show! :sing:
  19. LamangoNumber2

    LamangoNumber2 Well-Known Member

    She was on it this morning... She erked me.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    She seems to be a character similar to Alice... she's basically introduced to talk specifically to kids who are getting a new baby sibling in their lives. They seem to have covered that purpose years ago... now she's there mainly because if she wasn't there, people would wonder "what the heck happened to baby bear's sister?" Though again, I LOVED the birthday cake episode, and she plays a major role in it.

    Meanwhile, other than a parade float 2 years ago, when was the last time we even saw or mentioned Alice in the show? I forsee Curly being completely marginalized from the cast the same way.

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