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Little things we've noticed

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by minor muppetz, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Although Steve Whitmire started performing Ernie in 1993, it seems like they were REALLY trying to give Kermit a Sesame Street comeback in 1996 or 1997. Of course it seems Whitmire might have had a limited Sesame Street schedule at first (and he's rarely been any other characters on Sesame Street) and then started to perform Ernie a lot more regularly around 1998 until about 2004 or 2005 before being less involved on the show.

    And yet most of his performances as Kermit were in the very late 1990s, with him appearing in a few Sesame Street specials during those years, as well as being in two of the "Slimey goes to the moon" episodes, making a brief cameo (I don't think he even had dialogue) in a season 31 episode, appearing in a few group publicity photos around that time (which wouldn't actually require Steve Whitmire, but it was rare for him to be in Sesame Street group photos even during Jim Henson's time), and getting his own home video compilation. Not to mention that the light and dark sketch with Grover was most likely from the late-1990s (I don't know for sure what season it originated in, I can only go by the earliest known appearance to Muppet Wiki, which was a season 29 episode).

    And yet despite it seeming like they may have been giving Kermit some kind of SST comeback (at least in terms of new appearances), it seems like they started showing his old segments a lot less often at that time. I watched season 30 almost every day during that seasons run (more than I had previous seasons, though I did catch a fair bit of season 29) and it seems like old Kermit segments were scarcely shown that year. And this was two years before Henson sold the Sesame Street Muppets.
     
  2. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    To be honest,

    Seeing more of Steve perform Kermit on Sesame Street would have been great. More lectures, News skits, etc.
     
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  3. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Is it just me, or was Kermit a bit of a brownish-green in season 1?
     
  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I think a lot of it has to do with the primitive, low-quality videotape of the time.
     
  5. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Okay, bringing this back up, I feel kinda stupid thinking this, cause looking at it now, it's clear, yes, Bob's lines were live; the album version just took that blank space and had Chris Cerf doing the lines.
     
  6. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    OK, so this is more of a question but, is that red lining in Grover's mouth supposed to be his lip, his gums, or his teeth?
     
  7. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I've wondered the same thing, actually.

    Maybe his lip?
     
  8. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I think probably his lip.
     
  9. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Actually, has anyone ever noticed how the pumpkin puppet actually looks pretty brown in color when it's dressed up as a bear?
     
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    So at the end of "Fat Cat," why do the green and blue AMs switch places when they give Bip Bippadotta the death glare?
     
  11. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Maybe they wanted the shortest one on the side?

    I dunno, but I'm still convinced those guys ended up becoming the rhymies.... Wink wink. ;)
     
  12. cjd874

    cjd874 Well-Known Member

    Something I learned recently about "Fat Cat": when I was younger, I used to think that Richard Hunt performed the voice and puppetry for the Lavender guy. Since I knew that there were four main puppeteers, I assumed that each person played one Muppet. It wasn't until my teens that I learned that Jim Henson voiced both the Lavender guy and Bip Bipadotta, while someone else (probably Richard) did the puppetry.
    Additionally, it seems like whoever was manipulating the Lavender and Fat Blue puppets seemed a bit off in their lip syncing at a couple of points. Still a classic sketch nonetheless.
    Also, the Lavender guy is so chill throughout the whole thing. Green guy is the dramatic one, and the Blue guy just tries to keep a lid on it but gets really PO'ed at the end when Bip tries to upstage them in the last chorus.
     
  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Of the core performers, Richard seemed to get the short end of the stick a lot, but then again, Frank and Jerry (and even Caroll, to an extent) had more senority over him; nevertheless, Richard seemed to do a lot more assisting in those days, like right-handing, background Muppets, or even manipulate Oscar when he and Big Bird are in scenes together (like CEOSS).
     
  14. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    The blue guy used to creep me out the most in that sketch... Mostly because of Oz's deep voice he gave him.
     
  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    He does seem rather . . . robotic and impersonal compared to the others, doesn't he?
     
  16. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Essentially. Though deep voices, depending on how they sounded, made me uncomfortable back in the day.

    But, in fairness, they only said one word at a time. I could easily see the blue guy sounding like Sam the Eagel in full sentences, the lavender guy sounding like Tony in full sentences, and the green guy sounding like.... I guess maybe Nick Normal? Going by voice consistency comparison.
     
  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    The flight attendent in "Stick Out Your Hand and Say Hello" actually looks like Fran Brill.
     
  18. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    You know what?

    That never occurred to me until you pointed it out.
     
  19. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I like how in "This is My J", you can really hear Hunt's vocals in the background, and I think I can also hear Oz and Cerf.
     
  20. cjd874

    cjd874 Well-Known Member

    I've often heard this in many SS and TMS songs. In "This Frog" and "I Just Adore Four," I hear Jerry Nelson's vocals high in the mix (I think he was one of the Tarnish Brothers too). To me, it seems that Jerry, Chris, and Richard (and sometimes Jeff Moss in the early days) did the vocals for big show-style numbers.
     

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