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MC Community: Where is it going?

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by theprawncracker, Sep 17, 2008.

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Um... maybe only because particular notion wasn't publicly confirmed by Richard himself, but striking such a comment for any other reason would be just plain intolerant. However, I don't believe that to be the intention. This instance does straddle two basic forum guidelines.

    In my time at Muppet Central I have found that Gays and Christians make up two of the largest Muppet fan bases! It is funny and cool how the Muppets can unite so many people, yet when they come here many groups feel their specific backgrounds should take priority over others. It just happens on all sides.

    Your post does insinuate that finding someone gay is disrespectful and I take offense to that, but again I do not believe it was your intention to do so. I have many friends of non-religious backgrounds that feel calling someone a Christian is an insult and I make sure to stop and respectfully refute that notion to them each and every time. How one treats others is the measure of a person - not who they happen to love or worship.

    I stick up for the religious threads and even the religious fan fiction here. Sure, some of it makes me feel uncomfortable and may not be particularly Muppety, but I oppose such censorship of that kind. I don’t think Vic’s post requires an apology. Muppet performers and artists have had many backgrounds – Christian, Jewish, gay and so on. I think it is important we honor such diversity rather than take offense to the portions we do not agree with. If that means the more vocally religious members taking extra consideration in their posts about gays or other such minority issues than so be it. That falls directly inline with their core theology anyway.

    Peace. :)
  2. Vic Romano

    Vic Romano Well-Known Member

    I was hoping to get your personal take on that post, Jamie. And I wasn't apologizing for feeling I was talking about something bad (clearly not, as I was trying to communicate just how important Richard's entire life is so important to me), I just realize that MC is a more light-hearted place, and also I wasn't aware that such things were only speculation.
  3. Bill Bubble Guy

    Bill Bubble Guy Well-Known Member

    The fact that it was only speculation was the number one reason behind my post. I certainly don't mean any personal offence to Jamie or anybody else. :)

    Let's move on now my friends.:)
  4. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    From what I know that particular notion is still technically considered speculation. Your post should have easily flown under the radar yet was unfortunately targeted. I will trust Bill's motives behind that. It is best we move on from that post, yet I hope it remains uncensored as it does demonstrate problem solving on the forum. Again, I enjoyed hearing your sentiments.

    Such topics used to be much more tightly guarded in decades past, but they are not by any means taboo to discuss on Muppet Central or I'd never have joined in any capacity. Even here it appears that members are more open to state that their religion than admit to being gay, but I choose not to creatively tiptoe around the pronouns of my personal life. :)

    There's room for everyone at Muppet Central...well maybe not Muppet-haters. :sleep: :boo:
  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I will say that I'm hesitant about censorship because it can imply a negativity about a subject. It's a very fine line.
  6. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I wonder if Muppet-haters are also the same people who are afraid of clowns?

    You know, I met a girl who was terrified of Muley, and she said she hates anything like that: Pinocchio, Muppets, Costumed characters...that's weird to me. I'm only afraid of snakes and pain!
  7. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    It's not weird to me, that was my childhood! I cried during an entire Chuckie Cheese party (not kidding, the whole time)! I'm amazed I was a Muppet fan, but somehow I made it through!
  8. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I do have a photo of me 1 year old at Disney World and I was quite nervous of the Sherrif of Knottingham from Robin Hood walk-around! I'm in his arms, looking back at the teeth in his mouth, and leaning as far away as I can! HA HA!

    Chuck E. Cheese was awesome. Then, one day, they forgot to do maintenance. It was horrible--all this loose fur material hanging over robotic arms and other animatronic pieces. As cool as it was for them to let it fall apart. That was disappointing, and looking back on it now who's to say they didn't have Terminator robots in there watching us, memorizing our faces to come after us and take back all the pizza we ate?

    HELP! I'm scared!
  9. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Yeah see exactly!

    You know maybe the people responsible for all the creepy costumed and mechanical creatures also made all those scary PBS logos! Hmm
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Clowns are creepy. But this comes from a guy who thinks Batman's Joker is just a misunderstood pale Casanova with keen purply fashion sense. :D
  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I swear, that Sesame Street sketch with the clown taking his makeup off, I used to hide my head every time, the grownups thought I was crazy! Though the clown phobia didn't last long for me for some reason.
  12. TogetherAgain

    TogetherAgain Well-Known Member

    Clowns depend on the clown. Walk-arounds are creepy. I distinctly remember going to Disney World in first grade and being petrified of Ratcliffe. <Shudder> But why that one lady I know refuses to acknowledge the dog-like-ish puppet-thing (alright, alright, it's a head with no body or neck or anything, I'm no puppet maker) on my hand, I'll never know... Though I did once know a guy who didn't like puppets because he was creeped out about the puppeteers. Whereas we form obsessive fan clubs for the Muppeteers... :shifty:

    And... I have blocked out my very few memories of Chuck E. Cheese. I sleep better at night that way. :p
  13. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Funny how despite the continued freaked out reaction of kids, they just keep churning this stuff out!
  14. Vic Romano

    Vic Romano Well-Known Member

    That purple furry monster from CeC was very scary. The only Muppets to ever scare me as a kid were Statler after the vend-a-face punched him in the mouth and the old lady who wrestled Kermit. I had an illustrated book that had the latter sketch in it, and I was scared of her in the illustrated medium as well.
  15. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Ooooooh yeah I can see that, lol. :boo:

    Btw you can see Richard in the Vend-A-Face's reflection at the beginning. Guess that went unnoticed, but so much the better for fans! ;)
  16. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    *takes one of those hook thingies used in stage shows and drags the topic back on topic*

    I really don't think this forum is going anywhere bad, really I don't :)
  17. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    I hate to bump this thread, but I need to ask a question.

    Phil, awhile ago I sent you two PMs containing my fan-written review of the new Abby in Wonderland DVD. I've still not seen a response from you. I would think that some sort of response isn't too much to be asked, even if you're telling me that you don't want to use my article.

    Are the MC staff members the only ones who can write articles for the site now? I'm just confused because of something you said earlier on in this thread:
    I was just trying to contribute something that I thought others would benefit from reading and I just wanted to know why nothing ever came from it. If it got lost in the cracks I understand and would be glad to resend it. Thanks Phil! :)
  18. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Prawny... Would recommend you keep a copy of the article saved in your files. And hey, don't worry... It takes a while for a reply from the higher-ups, they have a full slate what with running this place and their own lives. Heck, I don't think my own name and bio-blurb article have been added to the staff page yet. Hope this helps, at least somewhat buddy. :halo:
  19. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Thanks Ed, that did help a bit.

    EDIT: And I just got an email from Phil! Good stuff! :D
  20. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I'm glad this was bumped because i missed it first time around, lol. I was actually thinking lately the atmosphere here was getting better and its nice to see a lot more people visiting the forum, its really busy.

    I agree on a couple of points tho -

    - Something needs to be done to control the sheer amount of general threads coming up. It's overcrowding the Muppet content a bit when you view new posts. It was worse a few months back and is getting better. Yes when you have a general forum you expect general threads but maybe if it was tried to combine and group them as much as possible like the "im leaving" and "post count" threads have been.

    - Articles & Reviews - what Phil was saying about streamlining and making the article submission process easier is most encouraging and welcomed. Lots of creative people here, be good to get them involved which was the whole thing which got MC started in the first place. I like Gregs newsflash posts but i'd like to see MC do more than just recycling the Muppet Newsflash, it'd be nice if there was some kind of editorial team to source reviews and articles from forum members, and spell check them for submission to Phil. I also think the main site needs to be updated a lot more - tends to be when something Muppety happens like a TV appearance people are pointed directly to the forum but there oughta be news of it or even possibly a review up or some clips (as the site has the Disney "nod" it seems) as soon as possible. I think that, and having more people submitting stuff would make the main site seem a lot more fresh and updated.

    - I'd like to see the Muppetcast featured a bit more or at least promoted on the Muppet Central main site. Whether that be a banner, or possibly have Steve do a 15 or 30 minute monthly Muppetcast Mini-Episode that could be streamed off the MC home page, or rotated on MC Radio, and just rundown generally whats happenin in the world of Muppets/Henson, merchandsise releases etc. I think it would prove to be a good association like the Newsflash has been.

    - Mods. I think they do a great job. It would be nice if they were a bit more consistent though. Sometimes things are left to run but others are closed down quickly. There was the time when a Muppeteers facebook was given out and nothing was done but other threads where people just asked for JHC office address and was told MC has a privacy policy against addresses. Overall though i think they have it correct on what to close down and who to ban, 99% of the time the right things are caught!

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