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Miss Piggy & Kermit Strike Back at Fox News

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by MrBloogarFoobly, Jan 29, 2012.

  1. zoebell

    zoebell Well-Known Member

    they can't really do that without looking worse. piggy set it up perfectly by saying if they listen to what she says they got real big problems. they can't respond seriously or they look like idiots
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  2. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    Didn't stop Bill O'Reily from responding.
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    They're Fox. They have no problem slinging allegations that anything and everything is brainwashing kids, but once someone tries to snipe them back, they start crying like they're the injured party.

    I see no difference between Fox news and a school yard bully. I LOVES to call people names, push them around, and look like a BIIIIIG man, but when someone sticks up for themselves, they cry and whine and try to look like the victims.

    I will say it's just become SOOO pathetic that the ones tossing the bombs accuse everyone else of class warfare to the point where you can't have a villain in a movie who's also rich... EVEN if it was a trope going back to the silent film era.

    Seriously... there's gotta be something better for conservatives to listen to... like Ben Stein. At least he doesn't come off like an oily, sanctimonious jackwagon.
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  4. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Next we will be hearing about how the muppets are trying to brainwash our kids to hate Fox. Nah, they did that themselves XD
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  5. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    :news: Hilarious! And brava Piggy!

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  6. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    Sorry gang (and you do rather sound like a gang)--I was not all all impressed with this whole debacle.

    The Fox News review was dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb. It missed on several significant points--first and foremost, that The Muppets is NOT just for children. But Fox's dumb review (did I mention it was dumb?) was NOT an excuse for the muppets to come out and make a political stand. It is hard to argue that the muppets don't have a political agenda when Kermit and Piggy are so obviously taking sides with whoever is on the opposite side of Fox News. I am ashamed of their behavior, and by it. I don't think for a moment that you'd catch Jim out there taking a large political swipe while claiming to be non-partisan. We were better than that once.

    The review was lame-o from the get-go. It was stupid and irrelevant. But Fox News did at least have the courtesy to invite "the other side" (also lame-o) on to present their agenda. Both sides should be flogged for even participating in the stupid debate, but Fox did what they say they do--they actually presented their side and then let someone from the opposite side come on the show and present their opinions. (What was that? Fox News actually did what they said they would do? Call the other news agencies so no one can report on it!) Didn’t somebody say something about a “bully pulpit”? Doesn’t inviting the other side on to give their view sort of undermine that whole “bully” concept, or has the definition of bullying changed? And the other side didn’t think the debate was too stupid to take up the charge and start swinging, either. Honestly—can no one think any more?

    Like it or not—agree with it or not—Fox News is watched by more people than any other network. Period. That’s not someone’s opinion. It’s a fact. And there seems to be a lot of whining about the fact that their successful at what they do, and popular for doing it. (Which was, ironically, what the stupid Fox News report accused the muppets of doing—surely you aren’t trying to prove them right?) Here’s a new flash: They don’t need your opinion or your approval to be successful or popular. These, too, are facts that can be supported with, oh, evidence instead of feelings. When, oh WHEN did feelings about things become more important than knowledge about things, and when did how someone felt about the news make it more or less true or documentable. I’ve yet to see a breaking scandal on another network that said Fox News got their facts wrong, but there is plenty of complaining about how mean they are. Good grief—grow up already. I just insisted that muppet fans are not all children and you’re making us look bad!

    When Kermit and Piggy moved from defense of their movie (This is where they should have said, “Well, gosh, no-we weren’t saying ALL oil tycoons are bad—just the ones who are trying to tear down our theater by lying and cheating.) to defense of a political position (“Fox news isn’t really news because we don’t agree with it.”) then they crossed a line that I would have thought good sense would tell them not to cross.

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  7. zoebell

    zoebell Well-Known Member

    i disagree. fox is not a news network, it's a propaganda channel set up by roger ailes to promote conservative causes and should be called out as often as possible. it's a joke and what piggy said was brilliant

    and by the way, quality is not determined by how popular something is. the transformers movies were very popular- they are also garbage. jersey shore and the kardashians are popular- they are also crap.

    fox's ratings just tell you there a lot of old, angry white people out there who want their biases reinforced on a daily basis, with lies and misinformation. sorry, but it's true.
  8. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    Please back up your opinions with facts, not feelings. It's not enough for you to say Fox lies and presents misinformation--you actually have to have something (like a fact) to base that on instead of just saying it because you feel it. "Sorry, but it's true?" Really? That's your factual argument? Put your facts where your feelings are.

    I did not say that Fox News was quality because it was popular. I said that, like it or not, it was popular and successful. Goodness, now--we wouldn't want to go and be angry at people for being successful, would we? That would make it sound like it was success that made them disliked.

    And I wouldn't call Piggy's comments "brilliant" unless she had something factual to base them on. Besides feelings.
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  9. zoebell

    zoebell Well-Known Member

    just ONE fact? wow.

    please don't tell me you actually watch that network. if you're an actual fan of fox, that kind of ends all hope of rational exchange right there.
  10. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    Still can't come up with any facts? How embarrassing for the "rational" exchange you seem to be proposing. This is where you either show that you have something to go on or admit you are flapping in the wind with only your "feelings" to keep you warm.

    I did not declare myself either way, and my comments were FACTUALLY based. I could debate both sides of this argument (I may have to, the way this is going) and I could do it with facts.
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  11. Bannanasketch

    Bannanasketch Well-Known Member

    Agreed. Personally, I do feel that the Fox statements about the movie were completely idiotic and stupid. As a conservative myself, it embarrasses me to see that some on the Right would throw out these wild accusations. And yes, I felt that the Piggy comment was unnecessary. The Muppets have never been about politics and for Eric to make his views known through the character of Miss Piggy was a dumb move.

    Really?!? I mean, seriously??? You throw out wild accusations and then expect us to just accept that as fact? You're just doing the same exact thing Fox did with the Muppets! You're own comment is full of bias not backed by facts, and IMHO, your last statement is a bunch of crap. Really, "sorry, but it's true"? No, don't try to take your own biased opinions and stereotypes ("old angry white people" HAH!) and present them as fact.
  12. zoebell

    zoebell Well-Known Member

    no you didn't declare yourself, but judging by the defensive tone you seem to be taking about fox of all things, i assume you must be a fan of it. i don't know why anyone would defend that network otherwise

    what wild accusations are you talking about? fox was set up by roger ailes to promote conservative points of view. that's the sole purpose of its existence. that's not unknown

    and that's why eric felt piggy could say that and everyone would laugh knowingly. because it IS that widespread a view.
  13. Bannanasketch

    Bannanasketch Well-Known Member

    I could care less about your opinion on Fox News! What's got me mad is the fact that you're taking your own biased and baseless OPINIONS and presenting them as fact. Using your own logic, you're just as bad as Fox! I'm not here to argue whether Fox News is good or not.
  14. zoebell

    zoebell Well-Known Member

    what are you talking about? my opinion about what? what fox is?

    all i've said is what fox is. and everyone KNOWS that, which is why piggy's comment got so much positive and knowing reaction. and obviously that's why eric felt he could have her say that and everyone would laugh and appreciate the snark
  15. Bannanasketch

    Bannanasketch Well-Known Member

    You are unbelievable. Since this argument is obviously not gonna go anywhere because of your closed mindedness, I'm just gonna leave you alone and not even reply anymore. Obviously, you're not prepared for a legitimate discussion. Get back to me when you're ready.
  16. zoebell

    zoebell Well-Known Member

    i don't understand why you're so angry. really i don't. what is it that you're objecting to? closed mindedness about what, exactly? what fox is?
  17. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Saying something is "wide known" or "everyone knows that" is not exactly sufficient proof to back up your claims.

    Personally, I think it was funny, but still was kinda lowering Piggy to Fox's level...
  18. zoebell

    zoebell Well-Known Member

    but why do you think eric did that? because he knew everyone would laugh appreciatively and get a kick out of it- because people know exactly what fox is and why it exists

    that's the joke. and everyone got it. there wasn't any backlash to what she said, all the reaction was just like, go piggy!
  19. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    And that whole thing with saying the Starving Muppet on Sesame Street was a really bad thing was one of the really pathetic things about it.
  20. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I disagree. Piggy would have to say the anchors on Fox News were spawns of Satan, allies to Muslims (because we all know they're all villains), and they may not have even been born in America (screw YOU, Hawaii!).
    Piggy didn't spend hours and hours spreading misinformation, like arguing that running a hospital is the exact same thing as running a church. She made one snide comment.
    Considering they take Sam back in the movie, I don't think it can really be argued that the Muppets are hardcore against Fox. If they were, they'd disown Sam.

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