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Muppet Babies: Puppets vs. Cartoon

Discussion in 'Muppet Babies' started by dwayne1115, Feb 26, 2008.

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Which do you like better? (tell why in the thread)

  1. Muppet Babies from TMTM (Puppet Versions)

    12 vote(s)
    70.6%
  2. Muppet Babies Cartoon Versions

    5 vote(s)
    29.4%

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I just wish I still had the pictures from the Muppets Take Manhattan exhibit in Central Park. They actually had a whole film about the Muppeteers performing the babies puppets from ceiling, floor-level and underneath. They also had some puppets. It was a very long time ago around the time of the film's release. Absolutely beautiful work! That's a big part of my lack of interest in the cartoon. Apples and oranges, I know. I did have a Baby Kermit plush once upon a time when they first came out. ;)
  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I guess to me it just seems that a lot of the Jim-era projects are getting the blame for the problems now, which I just don't agree with. I think the problem is with the NOW, not the then. If that makes sense, lol. (And I'm not talking about you specifically :) ). To me, the past isn't the problem; it's the solution.
  3. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh wow, that's so cool, I had no idea they'd done that! You're right, that would have been great to see. And just to stand up for the puppet Muppet Babies for a minute (which I always loved too), my friends and I always laugh when Kermit says "Hi Gonzo! Hi Fozzie!" even though he's just been pulverized by his rocking hourse, lol. Funny moment! And the way you can see Baby Rowlf's full body when dancing and even going upside down, very impressive! And Piggy is just perfect in the whole thing. :mad: ("Cause I want to be a good mommmy too!")
  4. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    The funny thing is I first saw the movie and thought the puppets were a knock off of the cartoon *lol* :).
    But I love both :). I would not have minded if the puppets had done the tv series, but they did'nt so the cartoon was great to :D
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I will say that Muppet babies, as well as the Preschool "WOW you're a _________" playtime videos were pretty much proof that Jim wanted to market the Muppets to kids, while he wanted to focus on creature shop type projects for older audiences. At least that's the impression I was getting.

    I still have to say, some of the voices worked beautifully (Frank Welker and Greg Berg were spot on), while some fell short (Baby Piggy, I agree with you was too shrill. But she sounded like how she should after a while). Personally, a bigger contrast would be something like Fraggle Rock. The designs of certain characters, Gorgs and Majory being the main examples, were pretty off. it's hard to simulate that kind of style in limited TV animation. I think Junior and Ma looked the worst. And the voices tried to impersonate the characters. Tried. But while there were some close ones- Red and Boober, close enough ones- Gobo, Matt, Wembly, and how was that supposed to sound like the real character- Junior.

    That's the big question. What if they actually tried to make MB a puppet show? it would be slightly different. Stronger at some points, weaker at others.

    And on the subject of 1980's outsorced Japanese animation...(and cartoon versions of Puppets), I was watching the DIC/Saban produced ALF and I felt the animation and overall design of that show was excellent. There were even small subtile things in the back of the show that stood out. I almost wonder what would have happened if MB and FR had that same animation style.

    That said, I always ask this question and bring up 2 examples. What's more important, the story or the animation? When both are going for you, you get a great project no matter what. But sometimes, one has a higher quality than the other. Pocahauntus had supurb animation. It looked beautiful, but watching it was dull. It had a poor storyline and a bad script (and a million buzzillion historical inaccuracies). And look at Rocky and Bullwinkle. Hideous animation, but it was so well written and delivered, it is still considered great. Even as an animator, myself, it's more important to have a strong story than just strong animation.
  6. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I really liked the movie . The story was funny, sad, and lovely to me, and I did'nt see it as a replacement for history, I just saw it as a Disney movie ^.^. And I am native american myself ;)
    I hate when someone says a Disney movie was boring like everyone in the world is going to agree with them :p. There are fans of just about everything no matter how bad you might have thought they were. I liked everything up until after Trazan. After that everything went to pot IMHO :(

    But as from Muppet Babies, I did not mind if the animation was bad sometimes, the characters were good, and as for Piggy's voice well, I have a high voice to so I never have seen it as too high ;)
  7. Muppet dude

    Muppet dude Active Member

    I guess the reason why Baby Piggy was voiced by a woman instead of a man was to make her sound younger.

    And Baby Skeeter was always voiced by a man. Frank Welker made a better Skeeter than Howie Mandel did, IMO.

    I've noticed that Baby Piggy and Baby Gonzo's voices sometimes sound very similar. I guess if Laurie O' Brien was unavailable to voice Baby Piggy, Russi Taylor could fill in using her Minnie Mouse voice.

    Looking at the REALLY old MB episodes from the first season, Baby Gonzo and Fozzie's voices sounded pretty odd. Fozzie had a slight accent and didn't sound much like how the adult version would, and Baby Gonzo's voice wasn't as high-pitched. By the second season, the voices became more well-developed, and by the third season, Dave Coulier took over from Howie Mandel (I think he did a better job with Animan and Bunsen, IMHO) and the animation became much more refined. Then when AKOM took over the animation in Season 4, it looked a little weird at first, but soon it began to look really good, that is, until 1990.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    A common thing for voices to sound different in the run of the series. Pinky had a noticably different lower pitched voice when Animaniacs started. And by the time they got their own show, it was much softer sounding. Not as abrasive.

    I think that at the beginning of the series, the voice actors were trying to mimick the puppeteer voices a lot more closely. They relaxed into the role, and it took off and became different. Kermit pretty much is the only Baby who sounded the same from the beginning to the end. Greg's Fozzie actually was pretty close to Frank's Fozzie when the Muppet Show first premired, actually. And Baby Rowlf was much lower, and more masculine sounding, closer to the gruff voice of Rowlf the dog.
  9. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I always loved Baby Rowlf's voice :) It was so dog-like :3
  10. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Actually myself and a couple other people have said Fozzie's voice was actually rather close to the real thing. ::shrugs::
  11. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I loved his funny accent thingie actually, it is one of the things that really stays with me about the MBs :excited:
  12. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I always thought that kermit was preety close to at least steve's voice. I would also have to agree that Rolwf's voice was kind of soothing. Like in the Valentines Day one, where Rolwf didn't get a cookie and he sings a slow sad song about it. that would always calm me down.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Frank's Kermit and Greg's Fozzie were the closest, I think. They even used similar voices for their adult counterparts. Personally, watching the Little Muppet Monsters clips in "Six Flags over the Nursery" the one voice that is terribly off is Hal Rayle's Miss Piggy. I give him credit for trying, but it sounds terribly wrong.

    I think Russi Taylor did a smashing job as Baby Gonzo as well. She really had the vocal patterns of the character down pat. In an impersonation, it's not just mimicking the sound of someone's voice, but it's also mimicking the speach patterns.
  14. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I always liked his 'Wooo-OH!', as a trademark yell :D


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