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Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by The Count, Aug 15, 2003.

  1. The Count Moderator

    Thanks for the help Tommy.
    1 As for the Muppatops, haven't made up my mind on those ones. Still need more arguments either for or against.
    2 As for Homer the Honker, you say this is a green honker. Does it also have sort of blueish hair and is its green fur sort of light green or green-yellow? If it is, thenI'd say we've got a bit of confusion on our hands. The reason being, that Big Bird said that honker's name was Martha von Beethoven the Honker when Bob asked incredulously as to whether Ludwig von Beethoven composed a concerto for two Honkers violinist and seal.
    Thanks for the help and have a good day.
  2. Thijs Member

    1 Hmm, I really hope you add Mopatop. I once saw an episode with Lenny the Lizard in it. Very cool.

    2 Yes, that's him. I would add him if I were you. It's not the first time they used the same puppet for two characters.
  3. Thijs Member

    Hey Count, I watched some old Sesame Street episodes today, and I found some characters you are missing:

    The King with the two noses
    The Queen with the two noses
    The Princess with the two noses

    They are in a skit with Elmo. The princess wants to play with Elmo, but the parents don't allow that because he has only one nose. They say it's not possible for somebody with two noses to play with somebody with one nose. Elmo and the princess show it is possible.

    Spalding Monster

    He is from Monsterpiece Theatre, from the play 'Monster in a box'. Spalding has to go in the box, but he does it wrong all the time. On the box, left to the box, but Cookie 'helps' him in the box.

    Old Macdonald's animals

    I have a skit with Kermit (as reporter) at Old Macdonald's farm. It ends in an aerobic session, lead by his cow. The following animals appear in that skit:
    -swan
    -goose
    -cow
    -two pigs
    ------------

    I discovered more characters, but I only have their dutch names, so I have to find out what their names are in English.

    greetings Thijs
  4. The Count Moderator

    Thanks for the tips Thijs, or are we back to our screen names now?

    Spalding Monster. I know the Monsterpiece Theater sketch of which you speak, but I never knew that monster had a name.
    Could you please, describe what he looks lkike?
    The Two-Nose Dynasty. (Just calling it that for purpose of lumping the three characters you mentioned there for now.)
    If you could, please describe what they looked like. And what episode they appeared in as well.
    As for the Old McDonald News Flash, I know the one you speak of. It's always funny to hear Richard Hunt's Old McDonald tell Kermit that they just installed a jacoooozie in the farm. And then to hear Kermit's incredulous response.
    Do you think that the animals should all be listed individually? Or would it suffice to just have an entry for Old McDonald's Farm Animals?

    Well, I'll definitely update the list with any and all new characters you guys think should be there. Hope this helps and have a goood day.
  5. Thijs Member

    No, Eduardo:)

    About descriptions, thats my weakest point, mainly because of my colourblindness. Save that for later. Just add them.

    You know I am pro-individuality in guides, but it's your choice. I would separate the animals and the two-nose dynasty. Do what you did with The Counts Classmates:

    The Two-nose Dynasty: The King
    The Two-nose Dynasty: The Queen
    The Two-nose Dynasty: The Princess

    Do the same with Mac's animals.

    About Spalding, he is a kind of Grover like. He has a sad look in his eyes. He has a nose. Don't recognize his colour. I guess purple.

    Another thing. Isn't it a good idea to add the girl from 'Cereal Girl', and name her The Cereal Girl?

    Thijs
  6. The Count Moderator

    Thijs, to clear up a few things. Don't worry about the descripts in terms of colors if that's your weakest point, just try to do the best job possible in describing the characters as best you can and that's good enough for me (knowing that you gave it your best effort.)

    1 Spalding Monster, he'll be added.
    2 Homer Honker, he'll be added.
    3 Forgetful Jones' Grandmother, she'll be added.
    4 Herry Monster's Grandmother, she'll be added.
    5 The Two-Nose Dynasty/Royalty, do you think this would be the best way to list them? That term was just a term I coined for a quick reference so that you'd know which characters I was asking you to describe. Thought the best way to list them would be as you listed them in your previous post: The King with Two Noses, The Queen with Two Noses, and the Princess with Two Noses. But if you feel this would be best, I think I'll try it and see how it sounds to me.
    6 Old McDonald's Farm Animals, guess I'll end up adding them individually seeing as I've done so for other groupings of characters like them as well.

    7 "Cereal Girl" You bring up a point on which I'm glad to ask about. This is one character I was thinking of adding but wasn't sure about her naming. Sure, she sang the song "Cereal Girl" earning her that monicker; but she also sang a song called "It's In the Drawer" as a spoof of Betty Everett's "It's In His Kiss" or "The Shoop-Shoop Song." So do you think it would be accepted by most to just call this character the Cereal Girl and add her? Or do you feel that such appelation would be wrong and just leave her on the wayside with all the miscellaneous unnamed Anything Muppets?
    Thanks for the help and have a good night.
  7. BlueAM New Member

    GREAT JOB, COUNT!! Luv your list!

    First, a few clarifications:

    1. It should be Ferlinghetti Donizetti, not Donizetti Ferlenghetti.

    2. In TMM, Professor Krassman was played by Mel Brooks, not Sid Caesar.

    Here are some more characters you should add:

    The Eight Balls of Fur (from Chrissy's song "Eight Balls of Fur"). They are all balls of fur, each a different color, with striped Big Bird-like legs and little feet. Hope this descript helps!

    I'll be back with more descriptions (or more characters as well), so keep it comin'!

    BlueAM
  8. Thijs Member

    5 I thought you knew the sketch and you knew that they are called that way. No, just call them: The King with Two Noses, The Queen with Two Noses, and the Princess with Two Noses then. That has one big advatage. A new Q-character! About their descriptions: they are monsters with two noses.

    7 Hmm, I didn't know she did more songs. But the fact that she sang more then one song makes her a character. But now we have the naming problem. On the SS Encyclopedia, you can find Mr. Johnson as Fat Blue, not as Mr. Johnson. And everybody knows that monster-girl (who has a real cool looking dad) as the 'Cereal Girl'. She is to cool to leave unadded, but choose for yourself. I think you should strive to add as much as possible characters. (On the other hand, I do not agree with the fact that you added non-Muppet characters, like 'The King of Eight'). O and if you add her, you can add her dad and dog too.

    Thijs
  9. The Count Moderator

    Thanks for the tips, Thijs.
    About the sketch with the two-nose royal monsters, no, I've never seen that sketch and as I said the above term was just as a referencial term to talk about all of them together without having to mention each one by name over and over. Ah, but my friend, you look at it the same way I do! At least another Q character!
    As for the non-Muppet characters, the King of 8 and others. These are stop-animated characters and not real Muppets true. But they did appear on SS and they do have at least some physical tangible form, the little stop-animated figure used to make the sketch, so in my mind that's all the reason needed to add them.
    As for the so-called Cereal Girl monster... you say that since she has more than one song it makes a character. Why's that? And would you feel comfortable with having the others as "Cereal Girl's Dad and Dog" respectively?
    Oh, and yes, I do strive to list at least as many fully differentiated characters as possible. How do you think my listing's gone through as many revision versions as it has and gotten as long as it has? The thing that keeps amazing me is that with each episode of SS I watch, it generates at least one more new character for the list.
    Well, take care and have a pleasant morrow.
  10. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I love pleasent marrow. Yu-mmy.

    Count Von Beauregard
  11. Thijs Member

    Hey Eduardo,

    About the stop-animated characters, I see your point why you added them. But isn't it a good idea to add something to their list-entry, so that people can tell the difference? I'm sure many people want to know if it's a muppet or not. Just like you did with the human entries, by adding the name of the actor.

    About the cereal girl: no that doesn't make her a character, but it does give her the right to be put on your list. And "Cereal Girl's Dad" and "Cereal Girl's Dog" is good.

    I am very excited about the list and it is fun helping making it complete, although my muppet-knowledge is far below some other members here. The more individual characters it contains, the better, I agree. I just wish you add Mopatop's Shop, because of the interaction with Muppets and Fraggles. And I would think about Little Muppet Monsters too. They also interacted with The Muppets. It's frustrating that there are missing so many characters on the list, especially SS and some TMS, but that's exciting too!

    Thijs
  12. The Count Moderator

    Sure, Thijs. Still not 100% sure as to whether I'll add Muppatops. Still waiting for a convincing argument either for or against its inclusion in the list. As for Little Muppet Monsters, I considered it, but again still not fully sure and waiting sufficiently strong argument for their inclusion. Though their show did take place in the basement of the Muppet Theater and they were present at the 30th Anniversary Celebration ( I remember them from when I still had good sight as to their appearance in the show and in the 30th Anniversary Celebration poster that came with the Best of the Muppet Show music cassette.)

    When I get a chance, these next four are up first for inclusion: Follow That Bird! The Adventures of Elmo In Grouchland (for which I finally have a reason to see it), Hey Cinderella! and The Frog Prince which I just got from Justin. And if the episode's there as well, I might get you pics of the broadcasters from WOOF Radio, but I can't promise anything yet since I still haven't seen the VCD's. Hope this helps and have a good day.
  13. BlueAM New Member

    Two more clarifications, Count:

    There is a Sesame Muppet called Gina (not the human, of course) on your list. You obviously mean Deena Monster and since she's listed, delete the Muppet Gina from your list.

    In addition, by "Convincing John's Back-Up Singers", you mean the Fraggeles or Fraggeletes or something. I could be wrong, ya know!

    Here are some questions:

    Could you also try to include entries for all the unnamed Whatnots and Anything Muppets? In the case of AMs, could you include the AMs from "J Friends" and the Four Dragons skit, or should they have separate entries?

    Also, I think that there were two different unnamed AM babies. One (female) sang "I'm a Baby" and the other (male) sang "I Cry". The latter was a little purple AM, I think. Could you please try to put them both on the list even though there is an entry for "The Baby"?

    Also, how about the hipster and dullard that drew shapes in the air? The hipster was purple with (I think) shades and the dullard was orange with a LOOOOOOOOOng nose. Could they have separate entries as well or could they be in the Anything Muppets entry?

    Here are some descriptions:

    Phil Harmonic: He's the lavender live hands AM with a black mouth and a pink tongue, grey hair, a big pink nose that ends at his mouth (kinda like Biff), grey eyebrows, half moon-like pince-nez glasses, a black jacket, a black bow tie, and a red flower in his lapel.

    Geefle: He's green with big yellow eyes at the top of his head and fur in that area, and fur around his neck.

    Gonk: He's blue with, like Geefle, big yellow eyes at the top of his head and fur in that area, and fur around his neck.

    Hope these descriptions help!

    Thanks and have a good night!

    BlueAM
  14. The Count Moderator

    BlueAM, thanks for the descripts, love 'em and keep 'em coming! To clear up a few of your points.

    1 As for the two babies you mentioned, they've both been listed. The Baby would be the female AM baby who sang the song "I'm a Baby!" and the name of the male baby AM who sang the song "I Cry" is Baby Rocky.
    2 As for the entry of a monster named Gina, I'll have to check the source website which yielded that one before offering any counter-evidence towards its continued inclusion. But if after that you still help me out by confirming or denying that it's actually Deena, then I'll be receptive to a plan of action towards that particular entry.
    3 As for the hipster and dullard who drew shapes in the air, that's a sketch that I've been asking about for the longest time. Was the name of the hipster AM Same Sound Brown? Or would this be the famed "Purple Guy" performed by Northern Calloway? If it's indeed Same Sound Brown, then he's already included. But on the other hand, if you can confirm that this is Purple Guy, then he'll be added for the next update.
    4 As for an all-encompassing entry for Anything or Whatnot Muppets... I've tried to be as generous with that category as possible, every new character who fills that category who has a name gets listed by name. Though the four AM's from the J-Friends song/sketch would constitute a specific example possibly added as an entry on its own, I believe it would be best to exclude the remaining AM's unless we keep researching and come up with names for all. The point is that I think it would be too overtaxing to have a single entry for each miscellaneous unnamed AM who appears in any and all sketches throughout the differing Henson productions included on the listings. Another thing to consider is that without a name, noone would really know which AM we're talking about without a description of what the character looks like which would then change its entry from a given character's name and enter the realm of the second grand phase for my Muppety project (getting descriptions of what the characters look like for each character from the production studios themselves whenever I get the chance to go to NYC on the basis of carrying out this massive research project.)
    5 As for the Four Dragons AM, would you happen to have the names of any of the characters involved in that sketch? If so, please post them here with a description to know who's who. If not, what would be a suitable entry designation for them: the Four Dragons Anything Muppets?
    6 As for the balls of fur, how best do you think it would be to list them; either as the "Eight" Balls of Fur or as the "8" Balls of Fur?
    Thanks for the help and have a good night.
  15. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    'Eight' Balls of Fur and you may want to mention their colours. I can't remeber them now, I may be able to tell you later, but maybe not.
  16. The Count Moderator

    Beauregard, do you rully think it would be necessary to have all eight balls of fur listed by their specific colors? Or would it be sufficient to just have an entry for the group and then save the assignment of their individual distinguishing colors for a descriptions index or section unto its own containing all character descriptions? Thanks for the help and have a good day.
  17. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I think it should say "Eight Balls Of Fur: Red, Blue, etc..."

    Or

    "Eight Balls of Fur (Red, Blue, etc...)


    Bye,

    Count Von Buearegard
  18. The Count Moderator

    Thanks for the suggestion Beauregard, but I think the entry will state "The Eight Balls of Fur" for now. That is, unless someone can provide the colors of each individual ball of fur to distinguish one from the other thus meriting eight distinct entries.
    Hope this helps and have a good day.
  19. The Count Moderator

    BlueAM, just to clarify or explain my position on your previous points.


    1. It should be Ferlinghetti Donizetti, not Donizetti Ferlenghetti.
    Well, I asked about this character's name before and it was ssetta (a fellow forum member) who told me that the name I ascribed as the character's correct name in its proper entry was correct. If you have information to the contrary, please explain it further to me.

    2. In TMM, Professor Krassman was played by Mel Brooks, not Sid Caesar.
    Rully? Always thought it was Sid Caesar who played that role. And though I have confirmation on this point by fellow forum members in another thread, can't rully confirm one credit or the other until I rent the movie and have someone help me out by reading that particular character's performer from the end credits.

    3. In addition, by "Convincing John's Back-Up Singers", you mean the Fragglelles or Fragglettes or something. I could be wrong, ya know!
    Well, no, I meant Convincing John's Backup Singers as denoted by their entry in the listings. The reason I denoted them as such was because they had no name like the "Fragglelles" or "Fragglettes" and I couldn't add them to the list without a name to identify the characters. If they had such names as the ones you've suggested, they would've been added to the listing as such, but since they don't they're listed as Convincing John's Backup Singers Hope you can understandmy point.

    4. Also, I think that there were two different unnamed AM babies. One (female) sang "I'm a Baby" and the other (male) sang "I Cry". The latter was a little purple AM, I think. Could you please try to put them both on the list even though "The Baby" was already listed?
    Both of these characters have already been added to the listing. The female AM baby you speak of who sang the song "I'm a Baby!" was added under the entry of "The Baby." The male AM baby you speak of who sang the song "I Cry!" was added under the entry of "Baby Rocky."

    5. There is a Sesame Muppet called Gina (not the human, of course) on your list. You obviously mean Deena Monster and since she's listed, delete the Muppet Gina from your list.
    As for this little bit of controversy, I'm gonna ask you a favor. Please check out the following website:
    http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~csilvers/muppet-characters.html
    Once you've visited the site, scroll down towards the Sesame Street section. You'll find that there's an entry for Deena and Pearl Monster (two distinct characters) as one entry and Gina (a monster character) as another entry in the SS Muppets portion and an entry for Gina as performed by Alison Bartlett O'Reilly amongst the SS Humans portion. Please see if the entries in this website's list have images of the characters next to their names. If so, compare for yourself if Deena and Gina are the same-looking but end up being two different characters thus meriting individual entries; or if they're identically alike characters thus discrediting the entry of Gina in my listing. And once you've seen these characters, should there be images of them next to the character names listed on this website, please provide textual descriptions of these two for me so that I will know how to tell them apart if possible.

    6. Also, how about the hipster and dullard that drew shapes in the air? The hipster was purple with (I think) shades and the dullard was orange with a LOOOOOOOOOng
    nose. Could they have separate entries as well or could they be in the Anything Muppets entry?
    Need your help again. Was the hipster Muppet of this duo the infamous "Same Sound Brown" voiced by Northern Calloway? If so, then said character has already been added to the listings. On the other hand, would this hipster Muppet be the mysterious "Purple Guy" also voiced by Northern Calloway? If so, then he'll be definitely added to the listings under that entry. As for the dullard Muppet from this duo, not sure how to proceed on that subject. Should he be added under the entry of "Dullard Muppet"? Or as an "Orange-Headed Anything Muppet"? Please let me know how you'd feel about this subject.

    7. Could you also try to include entries for all the unnamed Whatnots and Anything Muppets? In the case of AMs, could you include the AMs from "J Friends"
    and the Four Dragons skit, or should they have separate entries?
    OK, already expressed myself on this subject, but here goes.
    A. The J-Friends could be added to the list seeing as how these four Anything Muppets are from a specific sketch/song and anyone who reads through the listings will be able to identify/recognize them cause they appeared in that specific sketch/song.
    B. As for the Four Dragons Anything Muppets, how would it be best to add them? Under the entry of "The Four Dragons Anything Muppets", or as "The Four Dragons' Anything Muppets"? Please let me know how best to proceed on this subject.
    C. As for the remaining non-named Anything Muppets, I feel it would far too overtaxing for my personal project to list each and every Anything Muppet or Whatnot Muppet who appeared on the various Henson productions without having a name. It's not that I'm unsympathetic with your suggestion, it's just that I feel it would be: (1) far too much work to just fill the listing with entries that would tend to be more of a description of the character in question rather than its proper name; and (2) would present a problem to anyone reading through the listings as that they wouldn't be able to recognize or identify the character nor the sketch/song/clip/source where the character appeared in and find that character themselves amongst the Henson productions themselves.
    Hope this helps my case, that you understand my position, that you can continue to provide your support for the Muppet Listings project, and that you have a good day.
  20. BlueAM New Member

    I think that the dullard should go under "Dullard Muppet", while the hipster was, I believe, the "Purple Hipster", since Same Sound Brown is the little brown AM.
    In the case of the Four Dragons, there was a storyteller (lavender AM), the Emperor (also lavender), the Emperor's son who was also the hero (green AM), and the evil prime minister (blue AM with balding black hair, purple eyelids, black eyebrows, and a green nose). These may not be good descriptions, but this is all I know.
    As for the AMs and Whatnots, I suggest you include ALL the unnamed AMs in one entry called "Anything Muppets" and all the unnamed Whatnots in one single entry called "Whatnots".

    Hope this helps and have a good night!

    BlueAM

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