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~ Muppet Musique ~ (Updates)

Discussion in 'On the Web' started by Sylinde Bren, Sep 20, 2005.

  1. Skye

    Skye Active Member

    Thank you so much for the update, Sylinde. I'm really sorry that they did have a problem with some of the things you put up on your site. But I am happy to hear that you have some ideas of where Muppet Musique will go from here. I really hope you can keep it going! :) And thank you again for all of the fun and wonderful music you have brought to us through your site. Muppet music sure is an awesome thing... and so is Muppet Musique. :)
  2. RKUNKLER

    RKUNKLER New Member

    Sylinde Bren you can still keep the site with the music from things that Disney doesntt own like Fraggle Rock and the specials for the time being. Also maybe if you want you can work out a deal with Disney to put the music on the Muppet Records part of muppets.com.
  3. maniacal muppet

    maniacal muppet Active Member

    I'm so sorry to hear about that. I loved your site. Most of my Itunes playlist on my computer is from there! :)
  4. Bill Bubble Guy

    Bill Bubble Guy Active Member

    The trouble is if Disney could somehow find out about the site and take such action against it, then so could other companies that own other Henson-related music. It's such a shame:(
    I hope we can get your site back Sylinde if we all co-operate in keeping quiet about it for we love our muppet oriented music and appreciate what you did for us.

    SIGH In truth I believe firmly that people would even put a stop to the way we share muppet mp3s in our trade thread with each other on the grounds of music copyright laws if they could.:rolleyes:
  5. Davina

    Davina Member

    It is very unfortunate, indeed. Muppet Musique was one of the better sites, actually bothering to ensure that the music she was offering wasn't available commercially, and removing anything that was being re-released. (so a good chunk of the fraggle stuff would have been coming down soon, anyway..) But, Disney can't make exceptions, I'm sure, to their policies. This is, after all, the same company that has gone after day care centers in the past for using disney characters in murals.
    Honestly, we should all be happy it lasted as long as it did. And if it does come back in any form, I will be very happy. Meanwhile, I have plenty of visits to the chiropractor to keep me busy for the foreseeable future... *sigh*
  6. SB you know I loved your site and what you provided for Muppet fans, and I agree that what happened is very sad. I cannot tell you how much I appreciated the site for the short time that I knew it existed.
  7. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Active Member

    I'm also glad to know that i got to know about it for quite sometime too. Sorry to know that Disney did that but how were we to know about that. But hope to hear something new and hope it gets planed out good. So no one knows about expect for us the fans.
  8. Telly

    Telly Active Member

    Sad news. I got a lot of my Muppet MP3's fromt here as well. Oh well. It was good while it lasted. (I already got my copyright lessons from another said so I'm not going to say anything else)
  9. dabauckham

    dabauckham Member

    Pam,

    Very sorry to hear the news about Muppet Musique. You are absolutely keeping your chin up, and I love that! If I have any thoughts about ways to bring it back in another way, I'll be sure to let you know. Do not worry about how long it takes.

    Thanks so much for the memories and all the love. :sympathy::flirt:


    -David
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's just another reason why Disney can go.... well... this isn;t the site to finish that phrase off, but you know what I'm saying.

    I love how they can pay evil lawyers to troll around looking for stuff they can't in anyway market themselves and shut it down. Like the people attacking Youtube.

    Yep, folks... the internet is dying no thanks to these guys, because no one wants to watch their restrictive garbage TV shows.
  11. Would you PLEASE stop putting Disney down, Dr. Tooth?:mad:
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Why? They're the ones that shut down the site, they're the ones trying to remove copywrited stuff on youtube. I'm not singling them out. it's Viacom, Warners, Disney, and Universaol. they want to buy up the internet and make it as restrictive and pointless as they did to movies, radio, and television. First the copywrited clips, then the copywrited music, then it will be the copywrited fan sites. they won't be happy until they ruin the internet too.

    So forgive me for being peeved at them. if Disney were willing to release a special Muppet Show season by season soundtrack, I will stop putting their greedy corporation down. They didn't created the Muppets.... they just threw money at the Henson kids who were sadly all too ready to cash in their father's legacy.

    BTW, did Hit or someone make you take down Fraggle Music too? Or was Disney going to tattle tale on you if you didn't remove them as well.
  13. Davina

    Davina Member

    Well, given her policy of removing stuff that is commercially available, and at least some of the fraggle stuff is set to be released again here soon, at the very least, a good chunk of the fraggle section would have been coming down soon anyway. so it would make sense that if she was taking it down for the time being, she'd go ahead and pull that for now as well until we see just what bits are going to actually be on that collection.
  14. Skye

    Skye Active Member

    That's exactly right, I believe she's just trying to be careful and play it safe right now. Definitely the right move! :)
  15. Bill Bubble Guy

    Bill Bubble Guy Active Member

    While I agree with you in principle DrTooth I also see Phillip Kippel's point. Even though we don't have to be happy about the fact that we cannot use the internet to enjoy music wavs (or even movie wavs for that matter) on the grounds of controversial copyright laws, blasting Disney, or any other company isn't the solution to our problem.
    But I think you did a fair job of keeping your rant appropriate for our forum's standards my friend. Let's just not allow this to get out of hand everybody so we make a bad argument between ourselves in this thread. Okay. :)
  16. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Ok so...first of all, Bren, it must have been a horrible feeling to get that e-mail and letter. Thank goodness you could get it all taken down quickly, and satisfactorally. I am sorry to hear that the site is gone. Thank you so much for providing us all with such an amazing resource.

    But secondly, the lawyers are not evil. They have every right to get their material off the web and merely asked politely for that to happen. What right have we to put their copywrited matierial up for download? Would you say that Rolling was evil if she complained someone had typed the whole of Deathly Hallows onto the internet and people were reading it for free? Do you agree with people filming Spiderman in cinemas and sending it out across the net for all to see before it is released?

    Yes, I loved downloading the music from Bren's site, but when we get a slap on the wrist we have to take it as such and realise, yes, what we were doing was stretching the law to a degree...let's think it over, step back, take some time out, and realise that we have to be responsible for our actions.

    I'm sorry if you don't like that, Mr Tooth, but that's the fact.

    Again, it is a shame the site is down. I hope we can find a way around it. But we have to realise that it was us, the people, who were in the wrong. Not Disney. Not their lawyers.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Actually, they ARE different things, because as Muppet fans we're sharing old things that are not commercially available anymore. And yes, while we're stretching the law a bit, we're not asking to download entire commercially available albums.

    Her site featured music from episodes. And not in digitally remastered perfect CD selling quality.

    There actually IS a difference between putting up long lost bits and pieces and putting up entire books and entire movies. Small 5 minute lost clips, small songs from out of print or not commercially avaliable isn't taking money from anyone.

    You do realize as Muppet fans if Disney were to release a box set of Muppet show sound track Cd's, or made digitally remastered copies for sale on iTunes, we'd drop every trade and download site like a hot potato and go buy it for ourselves.
  18. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I do think copyright laws are important and there for a reason, artists need to have rights. But I do think the music and movie companies are being very slow in catching up with Internet technology. They have the right to remove the material of course, but if they see there's a demand, I think they should take advantage of it.

    Of course, iTunes was a step in the right direction, but progress is still moving at a slow pace.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If the copywrites were actually protecting the artists, I would agree. But Copywrites protect big companies that just so happen to buy up as many expired copywrites as possible (expired, or taking advantage of a creator's greedy offspring).... like Disney did here. in a rare occasion the creators actually do own the rights, but it usually goes to some shiftless corporation that didn't even create anything, and just buys things up to make money off them.

    That's why, even if Paul MacCartney had heavy protest for using his (or John's) beautiful "all you need is love" for a diaper commercial, it's legal for them to kill his beautiful thought to make money.

    So, I am sick of big corporations saying how "Immoral" it is we "steal" rare clips they don't want to give us, but then copy from each other, take someone's ideas and rape them outright for commercial use, and then try to supress as many creative people as possible in fears that said creative person wants to own his OWN copywrite, and have a say in what should happen with HIS idea.
  20. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I know, it's true. I wish there were more rights for the artists themselves. The world is not always a perfect and just place, by its very nature (or rather by ours, heh). We should try our best to improve it, but there will always be problems such as this. Despite all that, it would be worse if the artist was officially entitled to nothing, ever. As flawed as this system is, the alternative (no copyright laws) would be unexceptable.

    And I do feel for the Beatles definitely. But it's a lesson that, especially when you're young, you need to pay attention to your contracts and understand what's happening with your music. Because these companies are not doing anything illegal when the take the rights away in a contract. The Beatles have said in interviews they were originally just thrilled that their songs would be put out at all. Only later did they realize what it all meant. That's why it's imperative to understand the way these things function, so you can protect yourself and your work.


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