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Muppets Most Wanted Box Office Numbers

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by goldenstate5, Mar 22, 2014.

  1. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

    So far... not great, I'm sad to say fellow fans.

    http://variety.com/2014/film/news/b...ay-not-hit-60-million-plus-launch-1201142286/

    https://twitter.com/NikkiFinke/status/447251352494682112

    Initial estimates were 6.5, which fell to 5.5, which has now settled to an even worse 4.5. The movie will most likely finish the weekend with about 18 million.

    What does this mean? Well, it's not a complete flop since Muppet movies don't cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make. If it made less than 15 million this weekend, that's essentially a flop on the size of "Muppets From Space". Instead... it's going to be just a disappointment for Disney most likely and even though I said (and the rest of the world thought) last time that the 2011 film's under-performance would put a kibosh on a future sequel, this most definitely will. So why did the first one get a sequel?

    Plenty of reasons, actually: the opening weekend was fantastic and the movie fell under the weight of a crowded market, the overseas numbers matched, the DVD sales were strong, the reviews amazing and the big factor into all of this was that they were able to get the sequel on a budget of under 50 million, matching the first. Disney usually splurges about 150 mil on their films nowadays, so this was essentially getting 2 movies for 2/3rds the price of one, and it's one of their franchise IPs. All they had to do was hope that the market would be in a good enough place, the movie under almost the same regime would get similar reviews and the film would break-out big.

    So what happened? Obviously the reviews weren't as strong as the 2011 one (it could've been a whole lot worse, of course), but the other problem was that it turned out to be an overcrowded market and Disney themselves seems to be a part of the issue. You see, Frozen is still churning in theaters even though it's on DVD, which takes a small sliver out of not only the profits, but the theater counts as well. Nobody expected The Lego Movie to be as strong of a player as it is, and Peabody and Sherman also is remaining strong with good word of mouth. In other words, in what Disney hoped would be a great time to come out unfortunately worked against them because ironically this time the family competition was actually really good. Even Divergent broke out unexpectedly when a couple months ago no one really expected it.

    Of course, it's not all doom and gloom. There's still a ray of hope ahead. The movie could surprise and do gangbuster business tomorrow and give a glorious upset. (for the record, if you want a third Muppets movie, it'll need to gross over 20 million this weekend, and pay off over 50 mil domestic by the end of its run) There's always the matter of the legs of the film, but... according to Cinemascore, which polls theatergoers (http://www.cinemascore.com/), it's averaging a B-plus. That sounds good, but for a rating on CinemaScore, that's the equivalent of a more lukewarm response. By contrast, its main competitors: Frozen, Divergent, Lego Movie, Peabody are all given an "A" score. It's predecessor was also awarded an "A" score. It could go up, but it's rare.

    I hope that by the time all is said and done, the movie does better than the analysts are saying right now but sadly the evidence doesn't look good. Maybe we should just make a kickstarter and raise funds for a third movie. :)
     
  2. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I also think the issue was a lot of people had such low expectations of the last film and thinking it wouldn't do nearly as well as it did and with this one it was the opposite. I think the bar was raised and higher expectations were thought because of how well The Muppets did. I just hope even if this movie doesn't do well as the last one that Disney doesn't take them and throw them on a shelf to collect dust like before. Even if another film isn't possible hopefully we'll still see them in tv specials or something.

    I will say it was really sad at least at our theater it was only me and hubby and maybe 6-7 other people there with their kids but we went at 4:00 which was sort of when most kids hadn't gotten out of school yet so the evening times might've had more people. I mean it was nice to sit there and watch a movie without a bunch of kids screaming and crying but at the same time it felt like it was a sign of a little disappointment.
     
  3. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    Hopefully the box office hits higher as the weekend plays out and the total turns out to surpass these forecasts. Also, I think it's too early to decide how/if there is going to be another movie at this point until the movie debuts internationally and we see how that box office looks.
     
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  4. toadster101

    toadster101 New Member

    I don't understand how crap like Divergent is so popular. Like charlietheowl said, Muppet films usually do exceptionally well on an international level, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions.
     
  5. galagr

    galagr Well-Known Member

  6. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Keep your green flippers crossed. I'll be honest I think The Muppets are loved more internationally
    then domestically.
     
  7. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Went to a 10:30 a.m. showing this morning. Counting me, there were a total of 10 people there.
     
  8. galagr

    galagr Well-Known Member

    I think the main problem here is the time in which the movie came out. I honestly would've preferred it being delayed a few weeks just to give time for their competitors to slow down a bit. I mean, it came out on the same day as their biggest competitor, "Divergent". Really? There's no way whatsoever that could've been avoided? We all know it's gonna do good, no matter what the critics say. I just feel like we could have at least a few more million in the bank if they just held MMW back a bit.
     
  9. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Society lacks imagination. After a decade of ever increasing braindead and garishly unimaginative(and quite mindless) computer generated films catering to ADD kids...it's hard to imagine society fully embracing the Muppets ORGANIC, heart warming, smart humor. Smart kids will be drawn to the Muppets, but sadly a lot of families and parents go right for the Pixar Cars mush, Disney princess crap, and Dreamworks pap.
    Im happy to see ANY kids beg their parents for Muppet merch at the store. This isn't the 1980's anymore(sadly)

    To me it's amazing that in such a cg-vfx centered society, that something like the Muppets can even still exist. So potentially low weekend returns and mixed critical reviews to me matter little...unless it makes Disney not want to make a third one.

    I do wonder how much Disney spent on advertising...feels like they spent zillions and may not get as much returns.

    We have to remember, unlike Dr Who/Star Trek/Star Wars/Pixar/Disney/My Little Pony...hardcore Muppet fans are pretty rare.
     
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  10. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Europeans definitely seem overall smarter than Americans(and I'm American!), and The Muppets appeals to smart people...while I hate to say, increasingly Pixar(and especially Dreamworks and all other cg cartoon companies) seem to be appealing to the more not so discerning masses. The 2011 plot of society not caring about the Muppets in a way was a harsh reflection of how much things have changed since the time of Jim Henson.
     
  11. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    They even get more merchandise then we do! And it's mostly better then ours! I guess cause I'm biased and old fashion but don't get me wrong I love Pixar films, and Disney classics but as Kermit said can you meet any of those? Can you have a conversation or shake their hands? With the Muppets you can actually do those things. You can have that conversation with Kermit! I know they won't ever be in the glory that they were in the 1970's-1980's I just want them to last for at least a few more years. My baby girl is only 7 months old but to show her Kermit singing "Rainbow Connection" and it actually gets her attention well what more do you need? I should've went up and shook the parents or what few that were there Friday just to say thank you for picking MMW over Peabody.
     
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  12. TimmyMonsterIL

    TimmyMonsterIL Active Member

    Anyone know if the $4.66 million counts Thursday numbers? I know here where I live, the movie opened with 2 showings Thursday evening. That may also boost numbers.
     
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I KNOW THE FEELING! Oh man, just seeing that there was a couple rows of families with kids at a 2:45 PM opening day showing of a new Muppet film made me happy. I think I was the only one laughing throughout the whole film, but it was great hearing little kid's voices now and then exclaiming joy at certain parts. But yeah I feel like every person who chooses to see MMW is a special person. I feel like, despite the biggest money machine in the industry behind it(Disney), The Muppets are treated like the kid who is picked last for school.

    Seems like My Little Pony is way more popular.

    And as someone who has literally met, talked and shook hands with real Muppets and their performers at various events/book signings, etc. I agree! A teenager in a Mickey suit at Disneyland just doesn't have a thousandth that wait. (btw, Oscar IRL is super nice...so unlike his Sesame counterpart)

    Here's something...Sesame Street is extremely healthy and isn't going anywhere.
    The Muppets have the full support and weight of Disney behind them. It's a good time as we approach SIXTY YEARS of Muppets.

    Just wish the people who started it all, Jim Henson Company, were doing better. We need a full Fraggly return OR something new from JHC that will blow our minds
     
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  14. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I totally agree and check this out this Kermit quote from an interview he did a few days ago for a radio station.

    Despite having a “human in his throat,” Kermit also sang for News & Notes hosts Julia Cunningham and Mario Correa, regaling them with the wrap-up line from “Rainbow Connection.” And speaking of Kermit’s classic hit, he is still a bit put out that he lost out on winning the Oscar for “Rainbow Connection” to Norma Rae’s “It Goes Like It Goes.”

    “What is that?” said Kermit of the 1979 Best Original Song winner. “I mean, I remember Norma Rae, barely, but ‘It Goes Like It Goes’? What a lame title!”
     
  15. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

    http://www.deadline.com/2014/03/div...wanted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Muppets Most Wanted will wind up with $17 million this weekend. For the record, this is $3 million less than analysts were saying at the start of number estimates yesterday, and a full $8 million less than the Thursday tracking numbers. It is on par with BoxOffice.com's long-range forecast, which predicted a $17 mil OW and a $45 mil total domestic gross. This is what I would expect. That's just about half of the domestic gross of 2011's "The Muppets".

    For the foreign gross to be truly successful for MMW, it needs to double the domestic gross. So pray for a $90 million foreign take, I guess.
     
  16. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    Lets just hope the numbers go up when it opens across the land or else we may have all of the beautiful characters rebuilt for both TM11 and MMW put back in boxes on shelfs in the obscurity of Disney just like back in 2007 or 2008.... and only see Kermit, Piggy, Fozzie, Gonzo, Animal and Beaker!
     
  17. JimAndFrank

    JimAndFrank Well-Known Member

    Don't worry, as far as Australia goes, MMW is a shoe-in! There has been so much talk about it over here and those lucky enough to see an advanced screening couldn't find a fault! You know I'll be doing my part. Already bought the Soundtrack and I'm dragging as many of my friends along as I can. Sure, Divergent may be an issue since its opening on the same day, but I have faith in this film. Who knows, it might just be having a slow start!
     
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  18. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Told ya their loved more abroad then domestically. Hate to sound like a broken record but I can definitely tell fans outside of America get more excited about Muppets.
     
  19. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    I'm sad to hear that MMW isn't pulling in more viewers. But, as has been said, there's a lot of competition for this market on the screens right now. Stoopid other movies horning in on our territory!

    My father and I went to a 9:00 screening last night, and it was sold out, mostly adults. And, heh, we accidentally helped to inflate ticket sales. My father bought the tickets online for one theater, and he went to another AMC theater. The addresses were confusing, to be fair. Rather than go to the other theater, he decided he didn't want to drive and rush around, so we saw it where we were.
     
  20. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I wanted to smack the parents Friday who were seeing Peabody. I mean really?!
     
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