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Muppets' Wizard of Oz cast list

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Sep 29, 2004.

  1. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    Every one Matters

    This was such a great moment, Gonzo singing yeat another sad song in his heart breaking commical way. And then kermit to sort of help him look at things in a different light, and turn the song around. It was a great moment, and a good song.

    I am having trouble seeing the clip you are all talking about, but I agree new original songs are a good thing. I started out kind of Bashing this Muppet OZ thing, but an really getting excited about it! :)
  2. christyb

    christyb Well-Known Member

    I think I have always been excited about it. I haven't been able to see the clip yet but I also hope to see more great songs. We haven't had very many since Muppet Treasure Island. Oh yeah. I've been gone for awhile so this might already be posted. But do we have a final airdate yet??
  3. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    Bean Bunny

    Yes new original songs would really be great. I also hope we get to see Bean Bunny, with possibly speaking lines. I think Steve used to do his voice so I would guess he would not have to be re-cast.

    I really hope the story is heart warming, and good clean fun.
  4. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    All things Moral

    I checked this out with my sister who is a Law Student at Hilbert College in NY, Just incase any of you thought we could not take this to the next level!!

    The statutes of limitation as well as the Supreme Court have and to some degree set in place the standard of what is morally acceptable and not in the work place, especially in regard to inappropriate office behavior. Leaning Pepe weather he be a puppet, king prawn, or any other living human like thing into your cleavage while implying a Bonus, Christmas or other wise is inappropriate office behavior there for deemed immoral, wrong and to some degree against the law, and falls some where under the heading of sexual harassment, and pro-quid-quo.

    Now Is there any one else who wants to beat this dead horse some more, or can we just let it go!
  5. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo Well-Known Member

    I'd love to take a wack at this horse......wasn't it the villian who was doing the "immoral act". I mean Doc Hopper was not real moral in The Muppet Movie - he tried to kill Kermit; Nicky tried to steal and frame piggy in the Great Muppet Caper...every great villian is a little immoral. The Muppets are the moral ones (except the ones who are bad guys); the bad guys are the ones who usally missed the memo on being nice and moral.
  6. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    Ok, Ok I Give Up!

    Well done sir, point well taken, again I must stress the fact that you make excellent points that I am not un-open to.
    I have been trying to end this thing, for a while now, and Timrikthegorf seems to keep pushing issue with me. I think he wants me to agree to see his point of view. And I do, honestly I have said over and over again that there are many good points raised on the subject and I can understand where you all are coming from.

    I happen to own IAVMMC because there are parts that I really enjoy. Do I think they missed the mark in the big picture…yes I do but that is my opinion. Do I think the Morality was lacking considerably in that film I do yes but that is my opinion. If it is not ok for me to have my own opinion please some one tell me and I will never come back here again.

    I have talked it in a circle, and despite my best efforts few have seenmy side of the story. And perhaps I am older and not as hip, or cool or in as the younger generation. I had thought that that was allright in a place like this.

    I included that legal stuff to just get people off my back.

    Now please can we just drop this?
  7. christyb

    christyb Well-Known Member

    *runs up to balcony with issue and let's go


    Issue offically dropped. Next topic! LoL
  8. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo Well-Known Member

    To get back on topic of the casting...

    The cast list says: "These characters are currently "omitted" from speaking roles in the script", and Bobo the Bear and on the list. Now Bobo had a huge role in Muppets Tonight and an even bigger role in Muppets from Space; yet in IAVMMCM (where he had a very small role) and now Muppets Wizard of Oz (where he does not even speak) he seems to have shrunken away. I know Bill is still around doing Muppets, so is there a reason why Bobo has not taken off since Muppets from Space (I mean next to Gonzo and Rizzo, he had the next biggest part)? Why has Bobo droped off the face of the earth, it seems like he's going to join Beauregard in that group of characters people love but for some reason were left behind by their performer and/or the Muppet writers?
  9. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member


    I actually had a hard time connecting with Bobo, and well relating to him. The ohere characers no matter what the script says, or how good or bad the performing is (as if it could ever be bad) I always felt connected to them in a freindly kind of I can relate sort of a way.

    But BOBO always seems void of emotion to me, and so I just had trouble relating to him, his motivation. But I do enjoy his presence a great deal, and unless I am mistaken I think he was a carry over from Muppets take Manhatten and I liked that. I also like his voice, it is a good contrast to Fozzie considering they are both bears. and I also think if he got more speaking parts, may be bigger roles I would feel more connected to him like I do the others.

    I know this will ruffel some feathers but I really did not like Muppets Tonight, sorry gang it just did not appeal to me.
  10. DanDanStrawberry

    DanDanStrawberry Well-Known Member

    I love Bobo, I connected with him fairly easily.
  11. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    I think for every one who liked and watched Muppets Tonight it was easy to connect to him. I wanted Muppets Tonight to be more like the old Muppet Show, I love that kind of theater entertainment. Not watching Muppets Tonight probably means I have missed out on a lot, so I do not feel so connected to Clifford, or BOBO or a few of the others.

    I am glad that BOBO is in Muppets wizard of OZ, I also hope we get to see Bean Bunny.
  12. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Well-Known Member

    Of course it's all right in a place like this! :) The Muppets have a larger older fan base then younger people. I can see and respect your points about IAVMMCM.

    Certain Muppets are more edgy then others, Pepe saying "I am so sexy" in this Oz clip shows this movie may still be a little edgy abut maybe not as much as IAVMMCM seeing that the Muppets are with Disney now. Pepe's character is edgy and he's never said anything that has surpirsed me. I think we will get some great stuff from Oz! I just hope there isn't like 7 mins of screen time with just human characters like the "Intro Heaven" sceen in IAVMMCM.;) I don't think Oz will be like that, I don't think Oz can be like that! not with Piggy as all four witches and Pepe with Dorthy from the start!

    i just hope that Bobo the Bear and Rowlf the Dog get some lines in the movie! It's like some muppets take turns in the next movie, Clifford wasn't even in IAVMMCM and now Oz might have Clifford with lines and Rowlf and Bobo in the background or not in the movie at all?? Gee, it's like you can never have all the muppets in one place now a days. Speaking of Bobo, he's not really a carry over from TMTM at least not his character/personality /performer. But his type of large bear puppet is. I love him and he's one of the new Muppets i feel I can connect with the most! He's so nice and consiterate, i love how he talks and i can really connect with his shyness. his personality is VERY much like Rex the T-Rex from Toy Story. These two big animals that most others would find fearsome, but these characters are sweet and gentel and they would never want to hurt anyone or take sides in part of making someone feel bad.
  13. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    great insight.

    I was thinking that they simply do not have enough performers to give all the Muppet gang speaking lines all the time, so they ahve been trading on and off. But i really do not know why that is, does any one know?

    It might be that they hae an idea of who will fit the story and then they try to use them the most.

    Like MCC, with all the new muppets characters that make up the London town folks.
  14. christyb

    christyb Well-Known Member

    It's almost as if , with the exception of the five or so "core characters", that most of the characters get speaking roles in cycles. Depending on (to repeat what was just said) who is avaliable to perform and who fits in the story line.
  15. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    I think so

    I know that frank OZ is not performing with them any more and that really opened things up for others to pick up those roles. I also know they were re-casting Jerry Nealson's characters because I guess he is getting on in years and can't really do it any longer. So until all the characters get new performers and voices that the Muppets all approve of we will probably continue to see this kind of cycle.

    That would be my best guess. Also we have to consider that With Disney in charge they may want a specific core group to be the main stay. Kind of like Mickey, Pooh Bear, Tigger, Donald and a few others have become. They simply speak the Disney name, Kermit and the core gang is recognizably Henson and speaks to remind us of whom and what they are. Some of the other characters from an advertising and marketing stand point are more obscure, and do not carry the same weight.

    I also red and Article on Muppet Central that Disney will be spending a lot of money to re-introduce the Muppets to the general public and remind us all who they are and what they stand for before launching things like toys and products into production.
  16. christyb

    christyb Well-Known Member

    Hmmm...makes sense. We just gotta remember that right now is a transitional time for the Muppets. So as fans we are going to experience "growing pains". As time goes on and Disney gets used to their new acquirement we may see more of our favorite "minor" characters pop up again.
  17. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Well-Known Member

    Yes as it's always been the Muppet performers perform more then one character either it be a main/minor or new or random character. So, not that it was never done but but Miss Piggy and Fozzie don't converse that much like wise with Steve as Kermit and Rizzo. Rizzo has really taken a back seat after MFS. Steve is busy with Kermit and he should be, but it's nice to have rizzo get a few lines like in IAVMMCM.

    It's funny about Clifford though, I hope Kevin Clash is looping his voice for him same goes Brian Henson's Sal the Monkey. It's understandable that Janice's and Scooters voices change devloping them back to there roots as part of the Muppet gang again in new things.
  18. christyb

    christyb Well-Known Member

    So wait. Is Kevin and Brian essentially not performing their characters much anymore or are they not planning to??
  19. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo Well-Known Member

    Brain has been a big part of this production (not only as an executive producer, but as as a performer). Brian was on the set a lot working on the film. Brain performed Sal, Scooter, Janice, and some other puppet work too. He's still around and working his characters.

    Kevin on the other hand had a conflict with the Sesame Street shooting schedule. Being Kevin is behind Elmo, he was needed on the set a lot to do shooting for Sesame Steet (and Elmo's World), whereas the other puppeteers that overlap into The Muppets from Sesame Street (like Steve and Eric) could get away to shot The Muppet Wizard of Oz. Kevin could not get to the set to shot the film. Kevin did loop his character's lines (so it's still his voice), but he was not able to get to the set to work the puppets. He is not handing off his characters of phasing them out, but in this case he just could not physiclly do the puppeteering needed. This has happened on a lot of the muppet productions with diffrent muppeteers (having someone else work the puppet and looping lines later due to scheduling/time conflicts and restraints). Kevin is still around and working his charactes, but this production and Sesame Street had conflicts in shooting times which could not be changed.
  20. christyb

    christyb Well-Known Member

    Ahhh...I understand now thanks. I just misunderstood some things thanks for clarifing them.

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