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Opinions Obliterated?

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by D'Snowth, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, the ironic thing is somehow the S4 and S5 DVDs haven't been cause for debate, any mention of that, everybody's like, "Aw, it's okay, SURELY Disney will come through for us whenever", but again, whereas news surfaces of an actual new project, such as a movie, special, etc, cast your doubts, and suddenly you're basically treated like a troll?

    I just don't know... MC ain't perfect.
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  2. Bill Bubble Guy

    Bill Bubble Guy Active Member

    Well I hope we all get the message and work together to improve things here Snowthers. It all comes down to respect for others opinions. Needless arguments should be avoided. We want fun discussion at MC.
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  3. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    So far, so good in the two months I've been a member here - my "I'll believe it when I see it" post on the Sequel-Speculation thread seems to have been treated with respect, as were pretty much all the other posts I've left here.

    I don't mind the No-Pessimism thread. I don't see it as a means of trying to shut down anyone who doesn't have a completely super-duper optimistic Magical Man From Happyland view of future Muppet projects. In fact, I'm going over there right now to comment on it.

    But if you're been burned before, D'Snowth (or anyone else), I feel your pain - I had that happen to me on other online forums, including one that I moderate. Folks seem pretty respectful here at this point of MC's history, though.
  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    That's true Louis, in spite of the fact that even MC does have its faults, there's no other forum out there that has nearly the respectful community as we do: I've been at forums full of cynical, arrogant, cold-hearted people who take pleasure in treating others like crap, even the admins and mods would pick on members as well.
  5. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Overall, overwhelmingly yes. We are very lucky to have this place. :) I think this problem about "negativity" and "positivity" has only fairly recently noticeably gotten out of hand. Hopefully this will just blow over soon. :)
  6. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh I believe you, lol. Yeah I don't think that's what's happening here. It's just a lot of misunderstanding and mislabeling. The definition of a Pessimist is "a person who habitually sees or anticipates the worst or is disposed to be gloomy." And I really don't think anyone here fits that description and shouldn't be labeled as such. It does feel like a form of teasing after awhile.

    But if it happens, oh well, like I said, move on. :cool:
  7. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    The problem is that its human nature to lash out against people who don't share your opinions then the other person defends themselves. There is a point when someone needs to say "enough is enough" and move on. And the problem is that people are just not doing that. Even when things do start to settle down, SOMEONE has to bring it back up, then another person defends that point and the whole thing starts all over again
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  8. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    You are absolutely right and everyone is guilty of this.

    Like I said, my main concern is it feels like it's developing into this school yard/McCarthy mentality of isolating a group of users as "the negatives" to be avoided and scolded. As a former camp counselor I've seen how easily this kind of isolation can happen, even among well intentioned people. That's mainly why I've been so concerned lately.
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Hopefully our point is CRYSTAL clear by now.
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  10. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    I'm glad you posted this thread Snowth
    I totally agree with this thread. People are allowed to have their own opinions about everything. THIS IS A FAN FORUM ,PEOPLE! Just becuase someone dislikes something and you like it doesn't mean he's/she's bringing negativity to the forum.
    I know recently with that whole Bonus features on the DVD story where Disney only put a blooper reel on the DVD, people were complaining that there is nothing for the people who don't own Blu-Rays. (I complained) and people were MAD at me for complaining that I'm bringing negativity to the people who are excited about the release! (You'll notice that all the people who said that OWN a Blu-Ray player, but that's not important.)
    This is really getting ridicoulous.
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  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Ah yes, I believe Sgt Floyd did a thread not too long ago about the ridiculousness over un-necessary debates over those who just happen to be posh and own blu-ray players and such, and those who don't because it's not like DVDs are completely out-dated and obsolete just yet.
  12. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Wanna see pessimism? Head on over and read threads about the future of Fraggle Rock, Labyrinth, or Dark Crystal. Your silly little hesitations PALE in comparison.

    LOL, j/k.

    It's getting to the point where I'M pessimistic about my Henson fantasy franchises ... and yet I'll be a Rocket and Pokeshipper 'til the day I die, reality be darned.
  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Indeed, like I said before, it hurts to say so, but I basically have no more respect for JHC right now... they just simply don't seem to care anymore, and to think that basically all that Jim ever worked for and built up through his vision has basically been sold off and handed over to other parties who may or may not even intend on doing anything with them. I remember in an old interview, Caroll Spinney seemed irked at how the Henson family sold the Classic Muppets to EM.TV, and then of course, the re-sell to Disney in 2004 was described in Street Gang as, "The d a m ndest thing."
  14. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Well, as much as I dislike the early treatment of Disney, the reality is SST and FR and such aren't exactly having a renaissance anytime soon. It's kinda like what Kermit said in that video of a radio interview: I like to be employed.
  15. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, well Fraggle Rock is going nowhere. Apprently there's a new movie coming out since like seven years ago. And a Dark Crystal sequel, that's definatley NOT happening.
    And whatever Henson announces, NEVER happens. They just talk and talk, but they never actually do anything of the stuff they talk about.
  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Differences of opinions are great and I've voiced many harsh critiques of everything from Kermit's Swamp Years and Muppets From Space to the graphic art being used in promotional materials and the gentrified state of Sesame Street. However, I try to balance these criticisms with something positive.

    Forums are a great place to fanatically dissect everything and that's the way it should always be! I have never nor will ever state otherwise.

    However, there seem to be some members who use this opportunity to vent their life's problems here and focus all this angst on something Muppet related. They approach nearly every issue with a lopsided amount of unmuppety pessimism.That's why I and others have expressed having one leg out of this place. It's not a simple point of view difference. It's a poisonous tone. There's a trap of negative thinking that some people seem to fall into and that makes this place unbearable at times.

    Muppet Central is a place to celebrate and discuss the Muppets. This sometimes means critique, but attacking and disparaging the Muppets, the puppeteers, the Henson Company or Walt Disney the way it's been happening really is not okay and much of it does violate guidelines that other staff members and I formed many years ago. The Muppets create too much joy for the disproportionate amount of negativity on here lately.

    For the record:
    • No one is getting "screwed over" for having to pay extra to get extras on a home video release. They're called extras for a reason. And the extras we're getting look to be fantastic!
    • It is now clear that everyone involved with the 2011 film tried to honor the Muppets and their history.
    • It is much easier to find current Muppet related items in many retail stores than it has been in years.
    • All of the above could have been done better, but what we have is pretty great!
    Muppet Central is not a place to spout just anything we please. It must be a much more thoughtful place. That's getting missed.
  17. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Still though, attacking people for being "pessimistic" is just as wrong, and I think thats what Snowthy is trying to get at. I'm not saying anyone in particular is guilty of it.

    In fact, telling people to stop being pessimistic is doing the opposite of what you are trying to stop. Telling people they are being pessimistic is going to cause them to lash out at you even more.
  18. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well again, my bottom line is this: do we need to be lashing out at anybody all because of a difference of opinion?

    Some see it as pessimism, but in most cases, it genuinely isn't, it's just a difference of opinion.

    I mean I'm all for a completely peaceful community about celebrating the Muppets, that's what MC's all about, but there really ISN'T a "disproportionate amount of negativity" around here, maybe a very small handful of people casting doubt, a little moreso now since the sudden news of a potential sequel may seem like "too good to be true" or "too soon, too quickly", whatever. A VERY small handful, maybe what, three or four people at best? If that much? Yet there seems to be an entire coalition of people who get into a tizzy over "pessimists trying to bring the whole community down", and like heralde says, it does draw un-necessary lines in the sand, and is causing a bit of a an un-necessary divide in the community.

    It takes all kinds of people to make up the world, right? Let alone a Muppetational world, right? Well, all kinds of people are going to have all kinds of different opinions, but just because the opinions aren't like everybody elses, "Oh goody, goody, goody, I just know for a fact that this is true, and nothing wrong could possibly go wrong, because this is definitely going to happen no matter what", is really no cause for a passive aggressive backlash. I mean, you don't see all of the residents of Sesame Street rebuking Oscar the Grouch for saying something like, "Eh, the weather's been too sunny for too long, we could use a couple of drops of rain", do you?
  19. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well you do, but after that they say, "Oh Oscar, there's no one quite like you!" Lol :) :grouchy:
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  20. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I can certainly agree with the spirit of that statement. :)

    I just think there's a difference in having an unpopular opinion and habitually approaching every topic with a "glass-half-empty" perspective. There are too many members now (not just one) who come here to gripe rather than to share. It's like they're just waiting in the wings to hear someone complain about something, anything so they can jump right in and harness their frustrations. That element has always been here. It's in every community, but it seems to have taken over Muppet Central and that's what I find sad. It's a tone. Not a constructively critical tone. It's a poisonous tone.

    During my twelve or so years here I've made many great friends and invested countless hours creating many of MC's trademark elements, but there is little reason to come here much anymore considering how much alternatives like Facebook, Mindset and ToughPigs are thriving. That's why I get passionate about forum issues. It isn't just some petty perspective due to one disagreement. This community should be respected more than I've been seeing lately. We could all do better by one another. Me included, of course. I just think there is more interest in creating drama than mending fences.

    As a creative person I look at ways to build rather than just to chip away. I'm sure you, as an artist, can understand that perspective. To turn something unfortunate into a chuckle or at least slap a fresh coat of paint on it. Things could always be worse.
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