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Positive And Negative: The Muppet Movie (Opinions on TMM)

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Powerstars, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Especially Rowlf! After the Professor Krassman scene, Kermit didn't even ask Rowlf to come along, but maybe that was when the film broke!
  2. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    CONS: Mel Brook`s cameo. What a waste of five minutes
    - Too many songs, too often. unlike, The Muppets, the songs were unneccesary in this movie, Never Before Never Again, especially. The other ones were OK songs, but they were way too many.
  3. miss kermie

    miss kermie Well-Known Member

    OMGONZO, why does no one like that song?
  4. Yuna Leonhart

    Yuna Leonhart Well-Known Member

    I like Never Before, Never Again but I can't say it's my favorite.
  5. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    It's not my favorite either, but I like it a lot!
  6. Powerstars

    Powerstars Active Member

    The song itself is beautiful, but it wastes time in the movie.
  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Agree to disagree; I like that the scene adds a bit of an edge. :)

    If a movie biggest's problem is that it has Rainbow Connection, Movin Right Along, Can You Picture That and I'm Going to Back There Someday, I'd say that's pretty darn good!

    I'm sticking with what I said, I don't think The Muppet Movie has any legit flaws, lol.

    Never Before and Never Again is also very important. They had to establish the instant connection Piggy and Kermit have when they see each other.
  8. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've often thought it was a bit odd that Kermit and/or Fozzie would keep inviting people to come with them so soon after meeting them. It's as if the movie teaches kids that it's okay to pick up/accept rides from strangers. Fozzie makes sense, Scooter and the Electric Mayhem sort of makes sense, Rowlf kinda makes sense (even though we don't actually see Kermit invite Rowlf, but I guess by that point it wasn't neccessary). But I find it a little hard to believe Kermit would invite Sweetums just because he helped them get a better deal (and as a kid I didn't notice the part of him changing the price sticker). At least with Miss Piggy it seems they weren't going to invite her, but she mistakenly thought she was invited to go with them instead of for ice cream, and when Kermit realized the mistake he had trouble explaining, only for Gonzo's flying with balloons causing them to have to leave, her coming along. And I've often thought Kermit didn't realize Bunsen and Beaker were with them when he told everyone to come to Hollywood, like he'd accidently invited them (and with their lab destroyed I guess it made sense for them to come along).

    And it seems they all left for Hollywood on a whim, after being invited. Fozzie just invited Gonzo and Camilla shortly after they were in the car... Did they even go back to their homes to get their stuff (or did Gonzo have all his possessions in his car?)? Was Gonzo on his way to a plumbing job? Sweetums was just going to get his stuff (apparrently he lived at work) and go (but considering what he did I guess Mad Man Mooney would have fired him... I wonder what it was like when he went back to work for Mooney in the recent movie), being an actress/model Miss Piggy might have been traveling already. But then maybe they all just intended to leave for Hollywood then and then if they made it planned on returning to their homes to get their stuff.
  9. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Sorry....I should have said it differently.
    No doubt that Never Before Never Again is important, I feel they should have done it better. Piggy's onstage, and she starts singing about her and Kermit, then after the scene we see her offstage with Kermit. What happened inbetween? Did no one realize she just broke into song?
    The songs aren't bad. Not complaining about the songs (except Never Before Never Again, ) they were great, but I feel, there were no reason for them, I'm Going to Go Back There Someday isn't a sad song, (I mean it is, but the scene isn't), it's just an excuse to get another song on the soundtrack. I like the song, but very unneccesary.
  10. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well it's a show, not tell moment. We get that Piggy's gone totally gaga over this frog and was inspired to run over to him, lol. Musicals often have transition like that that aren't logical, but work dramatically.

    Well the scene is pretty sad. They all feel like their dreams have just been tarnished because there's no way they'll get to the audition in time. And the song is Gonzo's way of staying positive. "I've never been there but I know the way." They haven't found the place where they belong, but at the same time they know where it is and they will get there somehow.
    muppetfan24/7 and Muppet fan 123 like this.
  11. Muppet Frog

    Muppet Frog Member

    Pros
    1. Rainbow Connection.
    2. Bernie's fear of alligators.
    3. Kermit's bicycle scene.
    4. Drinks on the house!
    5. Fozzie comforting Kermit during Doc Hopper's commercial.
    6. Movin' Right Along.
    7. Mad Man Mooney scene.
    8. Bob Hope's honey joke.
    9. I Hope That Something Better Comes Along.
    10. Fozzie's rendition of America the Beautiful.
    11. Kermit walking in cowboy boots.
    12. The bus ride through Hollywood.
    13. The Magic Store.
    14. Scooter hitting his hand with the clapboard grip.
    15. The Rainbow Connection Finale. (With all the characters from TMS, SS, SNL, and Emmett Otter)
    16. According to the book "The Importance of Jim Henson", Whitmire had an early experience doing puppetry work for Kermit during the Rainbow Connection number when controlling a remote control device to assist Kermit's hands on the banjo.


    Cons
    1. Mel Brooks and Choris Lecharman characters.
    2. I'm Going to go Back There Someday.
    3. Most of Never Before Never Again with the exception of Kermit in his trenchcoat get up.

    4.
  12. GonzoWaltsfan

    GonzoWaltsfan Member

    Pros;

    -Loved all the songs pretty much
    -Every one, even Rowlf had some funny moments.
    -The showdown at the end
    -Finale song

    Cons;

    -Miss Piggy, honestly how Kermit put up with her in this film is beyound me. Right as soon as she got a part in a film she'd run off and leave him behind. On the car ride she doesn't think Kermit should be angry with her? I really disliked her in this film.
  13. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    The film is virtually perfect. I think the cons listed in this thread are complete obsessive-compulsive insanity, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. And that's mine. There will never be another Muppet film quite as good as the first one. However, I'm glad that they keep trying! :)
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    My only complaint is the crummy print the US got stuck with, getting rid of part of Rowlf's song and playing the music too loudly over the credits to hear the characters talking over them. Not to mention the fact that every new home video cuts off the original ending logos for legal reasons.

    Other than that, it's the best Muppet Movie. Debatable for those who prefer Great Muppet Caper. I can't really choose between those two movies.
  15. Scooterforever

    Scooterforever Active Member

    I agree with others that TMM was virtually flawless. I didn't like "Never Before, Never Again" and think it's the worst song from the film, but rousing hits like "Movin' Right Along" and "Can You Picture That" more than make up for it. Also, the carnival scene celebrity cameos seemed very rushed and forgettable compared to the other cameos in the film; Elliot Gould, Richard Prior, and Bob Hope had no time to be truly funny, while Milton Berle, Mel Brooks, Dom Deluise, and Steve Martin all had memorable cameos. Even James Coburn had a great one-liner in his brief cameo. But again, these are minor complaints about one of the greatest films of all time.
  16. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    the only thing i dont like is never before never again the song itself not the scene but the song. But i do understand it kind of is part of muppet history!
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I find it interesting that the Jim Henson Pictures logo stays in the films after Disney's purchase, when Jim Henson Pictures wasn't formed in 1979 or 1981. Makes me hope that if Muppet Babies (or any Disney-owned production with an animated Jim Henson Productions logo sequence) ever gets a DVD release that the animated logo sequences with Kermit's hand get to be included.
  18. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Ironically, it's the carnival cameos like Pryor and Hope's that I enjoy the most, lol. Even if they were short, they perfectly demonstrated why these guys were funny. :)
    jvcarroll likes this.
  19. Scooterforever

    Scooterforever Active Member

    To each his own. I just never felt they lived up to cameos such as Steve Martin, who was simply uproarious as the goofy waiter:).
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The Muppet Movie took quite a few cues from It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World... Pryor could have had more screen time, but I doubt that was the point. The short, ultra quick cameos are what gave TMM oomph.

    That said, I love Pryor and all, but let's be thankful he wasn't like he was in Superman 3.

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