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Respectful Politics Thread (Let's Just See)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jvcarroll, Apr 13, 2018.

  1. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Where is the one about being a Christian and a conservative, and people jumping on them saying they are hateful racist and homophobic?
     
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  2. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Good example:

     
  3. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Ok I watched that, and im more confused now than before I watched it. I could say how I believe about people of any diffrent race or sexually and I have in the past, but it will turn out to be a religious argument so I won't.
     
  4. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    Come on now. If you went on any social media right now and simpky said "I am proud to be a white male" you would be met with accusations of racism and white supremacy and misogyny.

    Frankly, I dont think being proud if what race, gender, or sexuality you are even makes sense. You didnt do anything to earn it. No one works hard all their life to become white (except Michael Jackson). No one has to study to become gay. These arent things one should take pride nor shame in.
     
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  5. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I’m just proud to be a straight white man simply because that’s how I was born and there’s nothing I want to change about it.

    And yeah, i’ve seen people being accused of being racist simply for being white. Then when you call them out for their bull**** they play the classic victim card. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    Yes, this. Goes back to the old Carlin thing, "You can be happy to be American... but how can you be proud? You were born here!"
     
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  7. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Do you mean that the so-called tolerant left aren't so tolerant after all? Naaahhh, that can't be.
     
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, I mean, when it comes to conservative Christians (not all Christians in general, mind you), yes, I see a lot of this.

    A lady friend of mine is a prime example of this, and I can give you some samples of her mindsets:
    - She pretty much sees all black people as thugs, and all brown people as terrorists; anytime there's been a shooting involving black or people as the victims, she praises the cops for doing her job, and supports Blue Lives Matter . . . but, whenever the scenario is reversed and the victims are white and the cops are black or brown, then she suddenly says the cops need to be held accountable for taking an innocent life. (Oh, but she likes Asians, so she says that makes her not a racist).
    - Anyone who is gay or bi are apparently "choosing to misbehave," and need to stop misbehaving and clean up their act.
    - Anyone who is transgendered is messing up God's work - if God made you a man, and you transform into a woman, you've basically taken a priceless work of art and vandalized it beyond repair.
    - The only reason transgendered people want to go into the women's bathroom is so they can attack and rape them and get away with it, because apparently, that's all transgendered people want to do, is attack and rape straight women.
    - Christmas is under attack, and politically correct people are trying to do away with Christmas in America altogether by saying "Happy Holidays."
    - Liberals are trying to commit a genocide of patriotic Christian Americans.
    - Poor people are poor because they've given up on trying to find work because either the liberals haven't created enough jobs, or what jobs there are are being stolen my immigrants.
    - All Muslims are terrorists.
    - Christians are being attacked by people who generalize and stereotype them.

    Those are just a few examples . . . and all of these views of hers she justifies because she's a conservative Christian, and that she only feels the way she does about all this because this is how, she thinks, God feels about all of this. And, much like Censored, or Duke, she actually plays the "I'm right, and you're wrong" card in her arguments. Case in point, I saw a long time ago on tumblr, she apparently attacked a girl who came out as bisexual to her family, and was kicked out as a result, asking for her friends and their friends to offer financial assistance until she could get back on her feet and start a new life of her own; my friend told the girl to quit misbehaving, clean up her act, go back to her family on her hands and knees begging for their forgiveness, and stop begging for money from other people. The girl's friends fired back at her for being bigoted, insensitive, cruel, and heartless, but her response to the backlash was "I'm right, you're all wrong."

    So, again, I see this kind of behavior from conservative Christians who use their Christianity as a crutch to justify their behavior, much in the same way certain people here, like Duke, use their autism as an excuse to justify their poor behavior on MC. I don't see all Christians doing this, however, those who I do see doing it are almost always conservative.
     
  9. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    That's why I don't have to make such proclamations, because . . . why should I be proud of being a straight, white, Christian male? It's not like I'm a special person because of those things, and it's not like I somehow earned them through some kind of grit and determination.

    Honestly, the only time I ever see people talk about being proud of their whiteness, or their heterosexuality, or anything like that, seriously, they only do it because they feel "threatened" by gay pride or black pride. Seriously, I see them make that argument: "We have Gay Pride, why can't we have Straight Pride?" "We have Black History Month, why can't we have White History Month?"
     
  11. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    In other words.... you know a crazy racist lady.
     
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  12. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    This one’s for you, Snowth. No need to thank me. ;)

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, again, the point is she's an example of the kinds of conservative Christians out there who use their Christianity as an excuse to justify their hate/bigotry/racism/sexism/whatever, because it's what God wants.
     
  14. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    I see nothing wrong with that.
     
  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Lol.

    The same can also be applied to liberals saying they've been saved by the blood of their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and that God would in no way approve of what Trump and his supporters are doing to America, with conservative Christians being like :o
     
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  16. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    My point is why should anyone be proud of thise things at all. Why should we conti ue to separate "black history" from "white history". Cant we just have "history" now? Can Obama's part in histiry only be taught in feb.? Or can we teach half in feb and the other half the rest of the year?

    Things like black history month and affirmative action were suppose to be a temp measure to speed up the integration if society and make up for a long period discrimination. Now, it seems like there are more people in favir of separating everyone than bringing them together.

    But the point remains, it is generally ok to be proud of being gay or female or a member of a minority group. Its is generally look down upon if you are pround to be straight or male or white. I say stop being pround or any of it, and only take pride in your personal actions.

    Question. If someone says they are not proud of their gay son, are they homophobic? What if they are not proud of their gay son because he murdered 20 people? Do they still need to be proud of him because he is gay?
     
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  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    My only argument to that is that white people or straight people have never been shunned, oppressed, or outcast by society because of who they are or what they are, so I can, to a degree, see the need to feel proud to be black or gay or anything like that because they're basically saying they're not going to let anyone else try to shame them for being who they are.
     
  18. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    People who determine personalities based on skin color or what their sexualities are or what they believe in, etc, should listen to this:

     
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  19. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    All various "pride" sayings do is separate. The answer to past oppression is not to swing the pendulum the other way, it's to stop swinging the pendulum.

    There are things you can take pride in though. If you are an immigrant who gained citizenship, you can be proud to be an American. If you were born Jewish, but converted to Christianity, you can be proud to be Christian (or whatever religions you want to swap in, I don't care). If you are transgender, and you completed your rounds of surgery and hormone therapy, you can be proud of being transgender. Basically, you can take pride being anything you needed to put in actual work to accomplish. Anything else is just playing identity politics and serves to separate people.
     
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  20. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    Oh, and tell the white South Africans that they have never been shunned, oppressed, or outcast from society.
     


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