Respectful Politics Thread (Let's Just See)

[MuppetsRule]

Well, again, the point is she's an example of the kinds of conservative Christians out there who use their Christianity as an excuse to justify their hate/bigotry/racism/sexism/whatever, because it's what God wants.

She's still just a crazy racist lady. Has nothing to do with being a Christian. Just because she uses that to justify her racism doesn't make conservative Christian's racists. If she were an atheist or an animal lover or a vegan or what have you and used that to justify her racism it wouldn't make all atheists, animal lovers or vegans racists. One has nothing to do with the other, other than her wrongly using it to justify it. But simply being a conservative or a Christian or both does not make one a racist, as liberals like to claim.

 

[MuppetsRule]

Oh, and tell the white South Africans that they have never been shunned, oppressed, or outcast from society.

Or Jewish people, or early European immigrants.

 

[D'Snowth]

She's still just a crazy racist lady. Has nothing to do with being a Christian. Just because she uses that to justify her racism doesn't make conservative Christian's racists. If she were an atheist or an animal lover or a vegan or what have you and used that to justify her racism it wouldn't make all atheists, animal lovers or vegans racists. One has nothing to do with the other, other than her wrongly using it to justify it. But simply being a conservative or a Christian or both does not make one a racist, as liberals like to claim.

You're right, and I know I came across as the kind who like to say "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim," but from my observation and experiences, conservative Christians who aren't like this are very few and far between; left or liberal Christians, on the other hand, I find are more more unlike this.

But, that also brings up a point to counter yours: you say liberals claim being conservative or Christian makes you a racist . . . well, conservatives claim that being liberal makes you an atheist. There's another unrealistic generalization that they love to favor - in their minds, to be a liberal and a Christian is a contradiction in terms, and can't even be done; even Dwayne called me into question about this several threads ago about how could I possibly be a Christian if I'm liberal.

And, of course, both sides call each other into question over it: liberals ask conservatives how they can call themselves Christian if they attack certain groups of people, and conservatives ask liberals how they can call themselves Christian if they support certain issues.

 

[MWoO]

You're right, and I know I came across as the kind who like to say "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim," but from my observation and experiences, conservative Christians who aren't like this are very few and far between; left or liberal Christians, on the other hand, I find are more more unlike this.

But, that also brings up a point to counter yours: you say liberals claim being conservative or Christian makes you a racist . . . well, conservatives claim that being liberal makes you an atheist. There's another unrealistic generalization that they love to favor - in their minds, to be a liberal and a Christian is a contradiction in terms, and can't even be done; even Dwayne called me into question about this several threads ago about how could I possibly be a Christian if I'm liberal.

And, of course, both sides call each other into question over it: liberals ask conservatives how they can call themselves Christian if they attack certain groups of people, and conservatives ask liberals how they can call themselves Christian if they support certain issues.

Which is why we need to stop with the identity politics of assigning believes and ideas based purely on what group you fall identify as. Some conservatives are crazy racist christian ladies, some are crazy non-religious orange billionaires. Some liberals are young crazy eyed socialists from the Bronx, some are old career politicians that have all of their enemies killed. Everyone is different and no one party or group can really be defined as a whole.

We won't be equal until we realize we need to be defined by our actions, not by who we are. Debate people over what they actually say, not by what you think their group believes.

 

[MuppetsRule]

You're right, and I know I came across as the kind who like to say "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim," but from my observation and experiences, conservative Christians who aren't like this are very few and far between; left or liberal Christians, on the other hand, I find are more more unlike this.

But, that also brings up a point to counter yours: you say liberals claim being conservative or Christian makes you a racist . . . well, conservatives claim that being liberal makes you an atheist. There's another unrealistic generalization that they love to favor - in their minds, to be a liberal and a Christian is a contradiction in terms, and can't even be done; even Dwayne called me into question about this several threads ago about how could I possibly be a Christian if I'm liberal.

And, of course, both sides call each other into question over it: liberals ask conservatives how they can call themselves Christian if they attack certain groups of people, and conservatives ask liberals how they can call themselves Christian if they support certain issues.

I don't know your background or where you grew up but I grew up around conservative Christians and not a single one of them think the way you portray them. NOT. A. SINGLE. ONE.
Maybe it's a regional thing.

 

[D'Snowth]

Maybe it's a regional thing.

Well, the deep south is considered the Bible Belt, so I'm sure that answers your question.

 

[MuppetsRule]

Well, the deep south is considered the Bible Belt, so I'm sure that answers your question.

Possibly. Grew up in the midwest among predominantly Lutherans and Catholics.

 

[D'Snowth]

I was raised Baptist, and Southern Baptist has a reputation of being franatic and forceful (as even said by Father Mulcahy on M*A*S*H once).

Eventually, when I was a teenager, my folks and I left the Baptist church, and ended up converting to Presbyterian - mainly because the Baptist denomination had so much hypocrisy and drama going on behind the scenes, and our church was no exception (affairs going on among the church staff, extortion, among other things) - plus, they seemed to always preach more about offerings and tithes than anything else.

We had an incident at the church one time where our musical director (who's very passionate about music, and likes to try different things for Sunday services) got in trouble with the pastor for trying to have African music during a service one morning, because, "we don't want any of that n----r music in this church." Similarly, at the time we were attending, there was approximately one black member in the congregation, and more often than not, some of the older ladies would say "bless his heart" (a southern phrase of pity) in regards to him.

 

[D'Snowth]

Something else that has crossed my mind:

Russia has always been one of our most notorious world enemies, but with Trump being such BFFs with Putin, and sharing so much of our classified and confidential information with Russia to strengthen our bonds and such, the right has praised him, saying that he's doing the right thing by trying to get us on friendly terms with other countries.

Mmhmm. Okay. So, when Obama tried to do the same thing with Middle Eastern countries that we've been screwing over and destroying for decades, those exact same people were attacking him for pussifying America by apologizing to them.

So, I mean, which is it? Should we try to be on friendly terms with our enemies or not?

 

[MWoO]

You mean the opposing party of a sitting president had a problem with the actions of that president, but didnt have a problem with similar actions taken by a president of the ssme party? I am in complete shock.