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Sesame Street Season 42 News

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Drtooth, Apr 8, 2011.

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  1. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    Man am I pleased to see Susan back for the episode we've all been talking about.
    Harking back to the various things people have said about whether or not a disabled main character would be a positive thing, I am of the belief that 5, Rue Sesame is doing it right. By having a disabled (in this case the wheelchair using Griotte) protagonist as a regular fixture and completely uninhibited by her disability the show provides a useful lesson that keeps in regard with other fundamental SST fixtures - just because they're not the same in one way as yourself, doesn't mean they aren't a good person.
  2. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

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  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Seems like somehow, somewhere there's gonna be a recreation of a certain Grover based kid's book.

    I WANT to see whatever it's for! It gave me goosebumps.
  4. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I hope they use that as the tune-ins for a show or two instead of Murray. I can't believe they never thought of this before!
  5. SpinneyBigBird1

    SpinneyBigBird1 Active Member

    Some street scene news:

    I had the pleasure of sitting in on an episode filming to visit my friend Caroll Spinney. It was towards the end of their shooting season back in May so my money would be it will be apart of season 43, but still its an awesome episode. Big Bird and Snuffy are contestants on the Letter of the Day Game Show where they have to put together clues to find the letter. HIGHLIGHT: This episode also includes Leela dressed as a dinosaur. Fun!

    Caroll has also told me of some new GREAT SOUNDING episodes featuring the Bird, which is so refreshing to hear.
    *One involves BB recieveing a new pair of pajamas from his Granny Bird and they are "the most comfy pajamas in the world." Yet he still cant fall asleep because he is not comfortable. He requires the help of Gordon and SUSAN (yep. Susan's in at least 2 episodes this year) to find out whats making him have trouble falling asleep. (I dont know the resolution. Caroll wouldnt even spoil the ending for me haha)
    *Another 2 episodes involves the Bird with some celebrities, but I feel that should remain a secret! I dont want to get in trouble for too many spoilers!
    *A great episode with Caroll's performance "Emmy-worthy" (according to Carol-Lynn Parente) is when Big Bird is bullied by another group of birds. Big Bird is so naive that he is not aware that being pressured to conform to other's standards is bullying. He relies on the help of Abby to help him change into what they want, including smaller feet, etc. But, even when he does so, they still do not accept him. He eventually gets consoled by Gordon, I believe.
    *Big Bird greets Hansel and Gretel on Sesame Street, but they insist to leave a trail of breadcrumbs leading back to the subway to get back home.

    This shows that even if the Bird is not in excessive amounts of shows this season, the episodes he is in are very special.
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  6. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Matt Vogel's Twitter feed mentioned a "Good Birds Club" and saying it was a misnomer, so that looks interesting.
  7. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Wow the episodes featuring Big Bird sound great. Though, of course, I hope those are just a few and we'll likely see more of him.;)

    The episode I'm looking forward to seeing out of that bunch definately has to be the bullying one. Sounds VERY interesting.

    And agreed, Long Live the Bird, lol.
  8. ISNorden

    ISNorden Active Member

    When I was a girl in the 70s, having a close family friend who used ASL at work made Linda feel like more than "that deaf lady" when I watched Sesame Street. Still, as the saying goes, your mileage may vary: if the majority isn't learning anything from a new character, then s/he doesn't belong on an educational show.

    The trouble with most disabled characters on TV (even in shows for an older audience) is that they develop in one of several unwanted directions:

    1. The character becomes a "poster child" for whatever disability s/he has; the plot can't include him/her without showing the disability causing trouble. If some "normal" character doesn't offer help in the end, then the "poster child" has some clever, dramatic way to adapt to the problem.
    2. The character becomes a "super-crip" with some unusual interest or talent that they pursue despite the disability. Other cast members tend to brag about the character's potential as a "great disabled artist/athlete/scientist/whatever".
    3. The character becomes a "bad boy/girl" who uses the disability as an excuse to get away with problem behavior, and gives viewers the impression that most real-life people with disabilities also have attitude problems.
    Linda Bove may have gotten thrown into "poster child" plots during her earliest years on Sesame Street, but in later years her deafness was notalways central to stories that included her. Aristotle (the blind Muppet) and Stacy (the wheelchair-bound girl) barely got a chance to develop past "poster child" plots; it's no wonder those characters were forgotten and retired!

    I fear that Sesame Street's death will come from a combination of budget cuts and staff burnout. Without enough money to pay talented, motivated people to do the same jobs Cooney's original friends did in 1969--the few employees who remain with Sesame Workshop will lose interest and quit sometime. Whether a 50th season is enough motivation to keep the last people going, I doubt the last years of Sesame Street will be as memorable as the first.

    Mr. Rogers barely gets one recent episode per weekend on my PBS station--and his show airs at 6:30 AM, when most children young enough to be interested are still asleep. If Sesame Street gets the same treatment after dying out, I'm afraid that few children will get the chance to see what a great TV show it used to be.
  9. ISNorden

    ISNorden Active Member

    Yeah, the pipe-organ number announcements lost appeal pretty fast; I'm not surprised that even the Count's performer got bored with them during the shoots. (Whoever performed the organ pipes even made a few mistakes; ever notice that two pipes sing the wrong note for their number in clip #8? :batty:)
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    My Frog! That sounds like a VERY important episode, and the stuff SW SHOULD be doing. More people need to speak out about bullying, and what better place and time than Sesame Street for the younger generation. Kindergarten, sometimes preschool is when the archtype and the beginning of cliques start coming into play... that's a nice time to drill that into the kids' heads.

    Mr Rogers completely disappeared from my PBS market about a year before he died. Then, when he did, they felt obligated to bring it back... and they soon took it off the air the following season. It's not even getting the 5:30 AM on a Sunday treatment Reading Rainbow did. Still, I find the Kid's PBS digital channel a complete waste, showing shows that are currently on the air and randomly showing Antiques Roadshow and The Civil War once 5 PM rolls around. They run Julia Child, for crying out loud!
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  11. ISNorden

    ISNorden Active Member

    Darn right! Remember when the Workshop actually listened to kids talking about their own problems, instead of taking special interest groups' advice on heavy-handed curriculum initiatives? The bullying episode sounds like the kind of thing Sesame Street used to show when the writers consistently did their job well. Centering the story on Big Bird makes logical sense too; Elmo's and Abby's cliques can't be in the spotlight all the time, and neither group seems violent or intolerant enough to play the bullies.

    THIS is why Sprout needs a "Remember When Show" (or however they'd treat a retro programming block) by the time most preschoolers are asleep. Adults who can record the older stuff for their kids would get a chance to do it; those who can't (or who don't have kids) would at least get a good nostalgia fix.


    Thanks for the info! I can't wait to see the new season of Sesame Street!
  13. BIGMuppetFan

    BIGMuppetFan Member

    For anybody who wants to know, You can watch Full Classic Episodes of "Mr. Rogers Neighborhood" on the PBS Kids Website

    I wish they would post Full classic "Sesame Street" Episodes online that be really cool
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I think that Elmo and Abby can be used for the same force of good, but they'd rather use the characters to play guessing games and screw around with the weather and stuff.

    I know they manage to use Elmo outside of the program, like that Listen, Talk, Connect: We're ALL Freaking Poor special.... but Abby seems to have a lot of potential for explaining things that's completely untapped.

    Somehow I want to see one of 2 episodes:

    1) Abby gets very frustrated and completely quits magic. Not the "Oh, I don't think I'll ever get that spell right" type stuff... the "I feel like a failure" type stuff. Something that would actually deal with the emotional complications of not doing things right. But at the end, everyone basically says, "No one's successful at first" and "giving up is true failure."

    2) Have either Zoe, Rosita, or another character get jealous of all her magic powers and gadgets, throwing a tantrum that it's not fair that they don't have those powers... something like that which gets that character into a horrible fight with Abby, causing them to not be friends anymore... leading to the adults saying that not everyone can have everything, and a true friend will always share when their friends don't have something. Basically a you're friends may have more toys than you, but that's okay type deal.
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  15. Oscarfan

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  16. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    First the Help-O Bots. Now comes the Shape-O Bots! Lol.

    These episodes sound rather average, IMO. The only one I'm looking forward to out of that bunch so far has to be the Grouchology episode starring Oscar.
  17. ISNorden

    ISNorden Active Member

    At least the money initiative isn't the center of attention that first week, judging by the street stories. Here's hoping the science lessons don't involve too many (ugh!) guessing games this time....
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  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Hoping I don't over-think this and make it sound better than it actually would be, but something tells me that Shape-o-Bots just maybe more than meets the eye.

    Some of the episodes actually sound decent... human canon ball, Grouchology (could be ANYTHING)....

    Yeah... wait for it...

    I ALSO agree that if I see another 20 guessing games in a 26 episode season, I'll LOSE IT! I'm sure kids will too.
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  19. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    As someone with a life long disability (CP) to it's odd but..Linda was one of my favorite human characters growing up. If she taught me ASL (she didn't, at least not long term) or not isn't really the point, as I still liked seeing it done and she just struck me as a nice person, character, period.
    To me it doesn't matter if a few characters are just 'poster' characters for certain disablites as we are real. We don't exist to make a point or necessarily teach or even be so good at one thing that it totally 'makes up' for what we can't do. We simply are, and I think this show of all places is a wonderful stage for that are-ness. Even maybe just maybe that many of us aren't the types that push our bodies in a battle to prove ourselfs but still live quite happy lifes :).
    I was actually disappointed to see them get rid of the girl in the wheelchair. As a child it made me feel that that place they lived in was just your everyday school away from school, just like seeing the children with much worst CP than mine in some of the older songs in the show...
    I dunno what point I was going toward here but I guess just that we aren't just a group of people to only be added if the time calls for it, but at the same time only have worth as 'real' characters if it is a main character part :\ It would be nice to have more children's stories not have the end moral that all disabled people overcome body/mind troubles and then can climb mountains and the like :p. That actually isn't all that common. It's a bit like saying everyone can get good enough to be in the Olympics with working muscles:\
    I know, I know, aim for the stars..but there is just as much joy to be found in the lower everyday realistic reaches of space, storytelling wise. Good stories. Big Bird stories...
    You know, that is one of the reasons I always liked Big Bird, he is a very down to earth type :).
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Sesame Street is all about diversity and representation.

    But I have to say this, when the show featured some Down Syndrome kids talking to various characters and tumbling on the floor and stuff like that, they weren't addressed as "Oh, look at those poor kids that are different because something's wrong with them." Linda was never the deaf woman to me, so much as Bob's friend that just so happens to be deaf. But the girl in the wheelchair they fussyfooted around with. She was nothing more than a wheelchair character that did nothing and just nodded and agreed with characters. Again, I don't blame her, I don't blame SW for wanting to add representation... I blame the writers for just... being a bit too careful. Character traits are always under scrutiny and misinterpreted as negative stereotypes. And any tension or character flaws would be feared to add at the risk of imaginary letters everyone worries about. So we got a bland character that did nothing and disappeared when the writers got sick of squeezing the character into a plot that doesn't concern them because they find her too hard to write for anyway.

    That's an example of doing it wrong.
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