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Snoop Dogg Excited About Appearing In 'Muppets' Christmas Special

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Traveling Matt, Aug 12, 2002.

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  1. Thog

    Thog Well-Known Member

    He is too threatening for now. But in 10 years from now I really don't think it will be. Just like Alice Cooper was a shocking guest star for his time.
  2. tomahawk

    tomahawk Well-Known Member

    exactly thog. and by the way i love your avatar. have you seen the muppet mock up shirt of ab fab with janice and piggy?
  3. Thog

    Thog Well-Known Member

    I love that pic. BTW they are filming a new AbFab special in NYC this week.
  4. tomahawk

    tomahawk Well-Known Member

    thats great news! i can't wait to tell my wife. she got me into ab fab.
  5. kansasteen14

    kansasteen14 Well-Known Member

    someone mentioned that Muppets shouldnt have guest stars that have been in jail,well there goes everyone in Hollywood,also Cantus Rock I dotn think Snoop Dog should be in it anyway but calm down you always seem to get to excited
  6. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock Well-Known Member

    Okay, I apologize if that post wasn't up to my normal civil standards. I think I did that this morning, coming off of 4 nights straight of 4 hours sleep (each night that is). Topped off with work, I hardly know what I'm saying anymore. Let me fix up that post a bit:

    First off, this is one part of any message board I don't like. Its when there are a large mix of posts one various branch-subjects that stem from the main point. I was commenting on one of the branch subjects when I was talking about this special being made for a "target audience." This is in reply to the various people who were saying that it was good to have the Muppets targeted towards an urban community. My point is, why is it good for this to be targetted at them? I mean, what certain people seem to be saying is that Snoop is just a ploy to get these viewers, and my question is, why? Does JHC really need new viewers that much? Have they lost faith in us raising our kids on Muppets? That was that point. Point two for that branch is, what if this "target audience" thing turns out to be a complete failure? What if noone they were expecting to watches it? Then, the rest of the audience is left having to see this unsavory character on the Muppets special, with no ground gained for JHC. Keep in mind that that is in response to people who made the claim of a target audience, just a little late, like I said, because the post had died that while back.

    Now, this whole rehashed issue of Alice Cooper is a bit different from Snoop Dogg. I'm not going to go back into detail, because I'm really not as steamed about this thread as I formerly was, but I just want to mention this; Alice Cooper was never put on trial for murder. I don't know for sure, but I don't think he was ever convicted of any major crime. Snoop Dogg is different in that respect, being he was tried for murder (but not convicted) and other charges. Also, Alice Cooper to this day has not made any pornographic features. This is not the case for Snoop, who has made several. I'm not saying that the Muppets should not be performed with by different new faces, just not these unsavory ones! I mean, put on The White Stripes. Put on rappers like Jurassic 5 who actually have brains in their heads. There are many contemporary artists, performers, etc., that are perfect for perfoming with the Muppets. Despite my blatent dislike for Weezer, I don't think it was bad they performed with them (if I said so in the past, I've come around. Let a man live!). I just want what is best for the young kids who will be watching the show, and I don't think Snoop Dogg is that.

    There ya go grail, all better. Said in a very straight forward and civil manner. I'd like my dog biscuit now... :)

  7. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>Why do we need to have the urban crowd into the Muppets?<<<

    I'm curious what type of people would fit into this demographic?
  8. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock Well-Known Member

    I have no idea seriously. I would suppose the lower class, inner city crowd I would guess. I don't know who they are. The question of the statement is not about the type of person tho Cor. I mean, if they had Steve Forbes on in an attempt to gain an audience of upper-class citizens, I'd be arguing the same way at that point. I don't know why any one group of people should be targeted as an audience. If a family wants to watch the Muppets that's fine. Should production plant ploys to intice people who would normally not watch? I don't think so.

  9. Thog

    Thog Well-Known Member

    Oh thats right....Sesame Street was created for them.

    *being very sarcastic*
  10. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock Well-Known Member

    Well, luckily for me that was sarcasm :). I probably would have posted to no end on the differences there...

  11. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Well-Known Member

    At the risk of being accused of a fence jumper...

    I believe that is the original quote to which you might be referring, Matt. That was from me about a month ago.

    Now I hear what some people are saying, and I *am* a bit swayed by Patty's points... it does trouble me a bit that Snopp is so unsavory. I certainly wouldn't be happy if Emileigh were to glimpse him on MTV whilst flipping channels, recognize him from a Muppet production and decide to keep watching, only to hear him trash talk about women and "partying", or to see half naked chicks drape themselves all over the screen while he sings about doing it "doggy style". (She doesn't flip channels just yet, but you see my point.) This is the risk we take when we associate someone with Snopp's persona with what *is* still at the point aimed for kids.

    However, Matt, I have to say that after reading through your posts here (and remembering your point of view on Goths, Punks, and Freaks) that it may be safe to assume that you have a somewhat narrow view of certain social groups. S'ok.... I am not picking on you. Just might be something to be aware. We all start somewhere.
  12. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock Well-Known Member

    Re: At the risk of being accused of a fence jumper...

    Luckily I don't have any children of my own to be worried about yet, but after stating that I'm quite surprised you still okay with having him on.

    I might have a narrow view on gothic subculture. I will be glad to admit that I have narrow views on many social groups, for the simple reason that their thinking offends me, and I see them as a threat (in certain respects) to modern society. Its not like I'm trying to raise any armies against these people or convert anyone to my thinking, its all just my personal opinions. With the hip-hop subculture though, that is quite off-mark. If you go into my "Our Fav. Music" in the General Discussion, you'll see that I am very deep into hip-hop, and would be more than glad (heck, I'd be thrilled) if they'd have a person from the rap community on a Muppet production. I just think it should be one that's a little less morally outragous. Now, you might be saying "Matt, a moral rapper is an oxymoron," but that's just not so. There are many solo artists and groups with good, honest, intelligent people, who would all be great for the show or any Muppet production. I just don't see why it was necissary to choose Snoop.

    Like you said, its all part of the risks of giving the children clickers after having them seen Snoop on a family special. In a way it would be worse having him be a perfect, well spoken man on the special, because should they see him elsewhere they'd be more inclined to watch. I don't know how old your daughter is, but I just don't think that any of the young ones need to be influenced by him. When their older, they can decide whats right and wrong for themselves, then that's different. But for now, if only to keep the small shred of innocence that the world will allow, I say, keep him away.

  13. tomahawk

    tomahawk Well-Known Member

    but the thing is, how do you know that these other hip hop artists are morally acceptable? is it because they are not popular enough for the media to want to pick any of their closets clean? probably a blessing for them. being morally acceptable is a fine line to draw. i believe i stated this before but i am no angel, far from it. does that mean i should'nt be allowed to be involved with muppety fun stuff?
  14. grail

    grail Well-Known Member

    bottom line time...we really need to get over this thread...

    i am NOT a fan of Snoop Dog, never have been, never will be, and basically for all the reasons that have been hammered into everyone who has bothered to read it. HOWEVER, he does have a fan base, his name will attract some viewers (hopefully more than it turns away), and at the end of the day, if Henson wants to let him be in the picture, then he's gonna be in the picture. we all know we're gonna watch no matter what, so we might as well get over it.

    besides, if what some of the others have said about him trying to clean himself up is true, then i say more power to him. lord only knows where i'd be without second, third, fourth, etc chances. if he wants to do something that his kids can (legally) see before the age of 18, then who am i to argue. it's not like he's starring here.

    we don't have to be happy about it, but...and here's the life lesson...our opinions aren't always the ones that matter. my suggestion is to just let it go...in the end, it's not worth fighting over. life is too short.

    oh, and on a sidenote that REALLY torques me off:

    you don't want your kids watching his "other ventures", then watch the tv WITH your kids...i grew up with a television for a babysitter, and i wouldn't wish that upon any child.

    now before anyone says anything about that statement, only one person in here has mentioned her own child in relation to this, and i get the distinct impression that she is not the type to do that, so i am NOT pointing a finger at her. from what i can tell, she is just the type TO actually sit and watch with her child, and to teach her early on what things she shouldn't bother with trying to watch on her own...i just wanted to clear that up first.

    anyway...people that cry foul because there are objectionable things on tv really get on my nerves. you want to know what your child's watching? you want to try and shape their interests? sit down and watch with them. all those Muppet movies that we ALL have? why not plop down on the couch and pop one in while they're around. show them what real humor is...what's actually WORTH watching.

    sorry...that's a touchy subject for me...i kinda rambled incoherently there...
  15. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Well-Known Member


    Everytime we hit an interesting subject, somebody wants to shut it down. Why can't we discuss it? It is MUPPET related, and topical.

    As for your question Matt, my daughter is three and a half. And as you can see from my posts, I have gone back and forth a bit on this subject. No, I wouldn't want her to have Snoop as a role model, but fortunately for me, she doesn't watch TV without me. I don't know what the answer is here. That is why I think it is fine to talk about it. I am glad that you took my post in the vein that it was intended.
  16. towels

    towels Well-Known Member

    Here's a question that could probably use answering...who picked the guest stars? My guess would be that NBC had a lot of say as to the human content of this "movie".
    Henson/Em.tv are likely very happy to be getting major network exposure and it could be that they were unwilling to say no, even if they had any moral qualms.
  17. Boober_Baby

    Boober_Baby Well-Known Member

    Awww... give Snoop a chance!

    Aw, I kinda like Snoop Doggy Dogg! (I ALWAYS call him Doggy Dogg... it's so old school, man!). Now, I don't really know any of you that well so I'm gonna try not to make any assumptions, but A LOT of people have experimented with drugs, and I'm willing to bet (but not to assume) that a lot of you have too. Now, I could be COMPLETELY wrong here, but I'm just trying to make a point... albeit a weak one, but still. Give the man a break!

    Also, while watching Much News (from MuchMusic, for those who don't know, a Canadian MTV) I heard that Snoop is giving up drugs... or at least TRYING to give up drugs. I dunno if he did or not, but it seems to me that Snoop's trying to turn himself around a little. And what better way to clean up his act then on the Muppets! You go, Doggy Dogg!

    Really, to me, what it comes down to is none of us really know Snoop on a personal level. He could very well be just like any of us! And, as we are all Muppet fans here, wouldn't you love the chance to be on TV with Kermit for even a second? Snoop just wants to have some fun with the frog! Didn't you read the title!? He's excited, man! Let the man have his frog! (And eat it too! ... JUST KIDDING! ^^;)

    And... uh... this post is really incoherent and stupid, but I'm just trying to let you all see my point of view. And if I offended anybody, I apologize in advance. Please don't take any of what I said to heart... I'm just defending a man.

    ^_^ Debo
  18. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Well-Known Member

    Re: Awww... give Snoop a chance!

    Course it is... judging from what you said, you were probably *high* when you wrote it!

    Heh heh ;)

    Seriously, I think the porn is more the issue than his penchant for "smoking bones".
  19. tomahawk

    tomahawk Well-Known Member

    why is everyone so uptight about porno? i mean they are doing a job(no pun intended) and getting paid,nicely i might add. if you don't like it don't watch it. same goes for the muppet christmas special, if you are determined to make a statement about snoop don't watch the show.
  20. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock Well-Known Member

    First, in response to your first post about hip-hop stars, tomahawk:

    Noone is perfect, that is obvious. But, from what you've said you seem to not blieve that there are any good hip-hoppers period. Now granted everyone has a good amount of bones shoved in the closet, but, look at it this way: Jurassic 5. I've met them, they are intelligent well spoken indivisuals. They were never arrested before. Snoop Dogg. Well, he's Snoop. And he has been arrested and convicted of crimes. I think that that would be a good line to draw when determining the morale of a hi-hop star, or any person for that matter.

    Now, on to the quoted piece. This is something I feel extremely strong about. Think about this very valid point. A prostitute gets paid to have sex. A pornographic film "star" (and i use the term very loosely) gets paid to have sex on film. Why is she any different from a hooker??? I mean, think about it. What, just because some "director" (again, loose term) is telling them how to do it or where or whatever make it not prosititution?!?! I think it's absurd. Now granted I think that hookers are one of the lowest forms of life on the planet, and that the people who need to go to them are very sad indivisuals. But if its okay to have two people paid to have sex while being filmed, I think that its only fair to have people be paid to have sex off film. "But Matt, that's disgusting! People shouldn't be allowed to be paid for sex!!!" RIGHT! So either stop paying porn stars for selling themselves, or legalize prostitution in states that it isn't legal. I opt for the first one. Abolish porn.

    *can't wait to hear the porn defense posts that are soon to come...*


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