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Speculation: Potential Sequel for "The Muppets"

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by bknatchbull, Mar 1, 2012.

  1. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    I think Walter as the over eager newbie Muppet fits in well without it being a direct sequel. I'm also fine if the next movie deals with them being a troupe of performers and still put in a new plot... as long as they aren't living in a boarding house. If you look at the last several projects (Minus Wizard of OZ thoughe ven there to some extent) the Muppets have played the Muppets and I'm okay with that. Though I'm also fine with them playing themselves but in a different non continuity situation similar to Muppets take Manhattan or the Great Muppe Caper (Caper being a good example of this idea working). I just don't want them playing characters like in the Based on books movies. A direct sequel is not a good idea but if handled correctly might work...but its a long shot.
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  2. Walter

    Walter Active Member

    Yeah..I wasn't crazy about the "Muppets playing Muppets" in MWoO.. It's not their fault..but because Dorothy's dad used an incredibly vulgar word to describe them..p..pu..Pup*EXPLICIT*s..:o
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  3. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    If they did use the same writers I'd be fine with that. Honestly the only thing that would need working on is the editing. Some of the deleted scenes are quite funny and I think would have made the movie stronger. The movie was enjoyable as is, but I said from the beginning that there was too much plot exposition and not enough basic Muppet antics.
  4. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    At least he didn't call them socks...that would have been much worse.
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  5. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Jason Segel tells Collider that he won't be back to write or star in the next Muppet movie...
    http://collider.com/jason-segel-the-muppets-sequel/150004/#more-150004

    From Jason himself... "My goal was to bring The Muppets back and I did that leaving them in very good hands... All I wanted to do was to set the stage for them to do whatever they wanted."

    Words cannot express how right he is there. He brought them back. He did exactly what he set out to do... and what we needed him to do. Thank you, Jason. Thank you so much.
  6. zoebell

    zoebell Active Member

    not surprised at all. i'm sure nick will fill him in on the ideas and stuff, but i never thought he was essential to maintaining them in the future
  7. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Walter is the character who introduced an entire generation of kids to the Muppets so I think he's here to stay. It would seem mean to exclude him at this point. He's one of the gang and I'm so happy the writers and his performer got him just right. It could have easily gone the other way, but they hit it out of the park! The only time I cried in "The Muppets" is when Walter encourages Kermit to reunite the gang by mentioning that he is on his wrist watch. It was so sweet and earnest!

    I have no idea what this film could be about! Glad I don't have the task to write it. Haha! Continuing the writing/directing team doesn't bother me. The script was far from perfect, but it was also an improvement over MFS, KSY, VMX, MWO and LTS. Most of those had Muppet veteran writing/directing teams on them too. I'm okay that they're continuing with this fresh take. Those guys aren't forgotten because there will be more Muppet projects on television and elsewhere.

    The puppets seem to have been rebuilt with more durable materials than previous incarnations. I might be wrong about that, but I think that's why some of them looked a little different - especially the foam on Gonzo's nose. I think we can expect to see the epic cast of characters for years to come. Let's just hope for more Pepe and other of Bill's characters like Johnny Fiama. I miss that guy!

    It seems likely that this film could beat a Fraggle, Dark Crystal or Happytime Murders movie to the theaters. The Muppets make financial sense and nearly half the box office has come from overseas markets. Disney loves that sort of thing! I just hope that this is the tip of the iceberg. We could easily see a new Muppet film as soon as summer/fall 2013! Probably not before that. Maybe we'll get other goodies while we wait!
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  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I guess we can speculate that if Gary and Mary aren't in the film, it might just be another film entirely. That's kinda what I'm hoping. Still, I want Segel to have a nice cameo if he's able to. There's nothing short of nobility in his quote.

    I do indeed hope to see more of the newer characters in this project... though I really hope they find a way to get Brian on board to, at the very least, loop dialogue so we can have a great Johnny and Sal moment. Johnny's a good character, but he's a great character when played with Sal. I'm sure Pepe and Rizzo will have much, much more to do in the film. The best part is, that whole introduction and getting the Muppets back together stuff is already done, so even if we get a direct sequel, they have no barriers on what to do for the next film. I just hope this time, they put more plot in the regular scenes, and less that they have to cut out. Get a GOOD editor for this film. Or better yet, write a plot that takes no longer than 60 minutes of story, leaving over 30 minutes of flat out wackiness to flesh out the film.

    Editing is the ONLY humbug this movie had... some concepts didn't completely gel, and wouldn't ya know? Gonzo was probably in almost every single one of them.
  9. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    I agree completely here. He took the Muppets and put them back in a place where they had a successful movie and loads of TV appearances and won an Oscar and now he's got people who appreciate and understand the Muppets to work on a sequel. I just hope they squeeze in a tiny cameo for him in the sequel.
  10. Matgo Styles

    Matgo Styles New Member

    I came up with an idea for a movie several years ago when The Muppets were in the wilderness.... "Star Crossed Muppets", a take on Romeo & Juliet. I thought there could be plenty of scope for Kermit in the Romeo role and Piggy as Juliet, with their families against a frog marrying a pig.

    Obviously R&J has a tragic ending, so it would need tweaking a bit, but I think its got legs.
  11. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    I was somewhat hesitant about the concept of Walter but his emergence as a funny, loveable character was one of the best things about the new movie and I dearly hope he'll be back for the next flick and many more Muppet productions to come.

    The Segel-Stoller script and Peter Linz in particular infused him with so many wonderful elements: a cheerful optimism and sincerity (the first five minutes of The Muppets could have been about Walter's love of dryer lint and we still would have been engaged), the willingness to take a comedic punch (electric fence - "Again!"), an undertone of charming oddness that emerges at the most unexpected moments ("Why are you talking like Edward G. Robinson?"), and the pleasant neuroses - especially insecurity - that have plagued nearly every Muppet since Sam and Friends.

    Walter is more than a Muppet fanboy - he's a winner. He could be a great go-fer partner for Scooter or production assistant for Kermit, or wherever else the writers want to take him. He's definitely one of the gang now.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's a sound idea, but I don't think the Muppets are good for another classic retelling just yet. Plus, if Muppet Romeo and Juliette happened, I bet we'd wind up with a human actor as both lead roles, and the Muppets would just comment on the action by the time the film is finished.

    That's why the first movies, some of the DTV ones, and, hate to say MFS worked the way they did. They played themselves as themselves in different situations. I wouldn't have so much a problem with them being other characters, but aside from the fact they'd probably have the Muppets play third and fourth to human actors, there's that problem of having the characters act as those roles. Even the comic books had some problems with that. Kermit (and a couple others) felt a little generic in Muppet Robin Hood... and I still don't like Kermit's portrayal of LeStrade in Sherlock Holmes (though Gonzo as Sherlock was brilliance). Kermit really felt like Kermit in MCC... not so much in MTI until the scene with Piggy. And even then, Piggy was totally rewritten into MTI just to get her in the movie.

    With the Muppets as Muppets, even in a GMC situation, they're free to breathe and act as themselves. I'd much rather a film like MTM or GMC than MCC and MTI...
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  13. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    Jason,

    Thank you for all you have done for us. If you are somehow reading this, I would like to say that we are all proud to be Muppet fans at this moment, and we are so happy that you helped to bring us what we have been waiting for years for. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!:)

    -Muppetboy09 (and the Muppet fan community)
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  14. zoebell

    zoebell Active Member

    idk, i'd like to see them keep playing themselves for awhile, but i guess i don't know where they could take that after this last one

    it'd probably make more sense to do something completely different, like a muppet western.
  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    The awkward thing about period pieces is trying to shoe horn characters into roles that don't fit them. Heck, even when they were technically playing themselves, they had trouble fitting in even the major characters, like Scooter for instance. He had a job on Muppet Show but in TMM and GMC they clearly didn't know what to do with him. At least he got to have all the bright ideas in MTM, hehe. ;)
  16. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    And yet in that case when they vered away from the source it actually helped the movie. The problem with adaptations is you are to stuck to the source and it can take away from the zaniness and character of the muppets. I love MCC but it is missing alot of what make the muppets the muppets. Its actually one of my favorite adaptations of the Christmas Carol but one of my least favorite muppet projects (if that makes sense). Oddly I haven't pulled out MTI in years. I agree though focusing on Human leads with the muppets in the background is bad. Gary and MAry worked because I think they were going into the mUppet world rather thatn the other way around (ironically the worlds of MTI and MCC were more muppety in scenery but less muppety in tone). So going with how Henson approached the first sequel in Great Mupept Caper maybe we need a gengre for the Muppets to come into (there they did a caper/heist film) so what would be an interesting genre for the Muppets to get into?
  17. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    It does make sense. It's a good Christmas movie. But I don't consider it a Muppet movie.
  18. zoebell

    zoebell Active Member

    that's what i'm thinking too. well, a western is an option (i think kermit even mentioned it in one of last year's interviews)

    i'd love to see them just be themselves again, but the problem with that is that the only thing they can really come up with for them to do in a movie where they're themselves is trying to put on a show. and i figure they don't want it to get too repetitive

    but if you think about it, TMM was about how they got together and trying to make it in the business, MTM was them trying to put their show on broadway, and TM was them getting back together and included all their show business history and everything. and the other films were either adaptations or being put into a heist plot (or MFS)

    so, when they're themselves, it's always somewhat about the business itself. is there any other kind of story they could do as themselves?

    what if they went REALLY meta and it was actually about bringing back TMS, even though it hasn't happened yet? that might be kinda cool! then we could see them trying to bring back old sketches and stuff, you could have sideplots with characters we didn't get to see as much of in this one. that might work! that could even work as a direct sequel, if you think about it
  19. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'd like to see a movie that involved the day-to-day operations of the Muppet Show - from a perspective of their outside lives to their professional ones - and have the conflict arise from that.

    Or maybe Kermit could get so stressed that he goes on vacation and leaves the Muppet Show to Walter. They could juxtapose the problems in the theater to Kermit's odd adventure somewhere else. That's funny!
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  20. zoebell

    zoebell Active Member

    hey, i'd love that! the behind the scenes of TMS thing is an awesome idea, imo.

    one, because they get to be their real selves, or as close to it as possible. two, because it's the way for fans to get to see the skits and other stuff we loved from TMS (i have a feeling the show itself won't make it back to TV anytime soon), and three, it's a very easy way to get the cameos in there.

    and i love the idea of their outside lives mixing with professional ones, etc. i'd very much love to see something like that over them being tossed into an existing genre


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