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Speculation: Potential Sequel for "The Muppets"

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by bknatchbull, Mar 1, 2012.

  1. Alvin

    Alvin Active Member

    I'm sure this has been answered already...but what happened to the scene where they were in jail and piggy saw the guy from TMC, I heard there were gonna be alot of references to the older muppet movies...it would be good to tie them in somehow...to a newer one.
  2. terrimonster

    terrimonster Member

    That would be nice. I'd also like to see some Steve, Dave, Bill, Eric, Matt or David muppeteer Muppets. This movie was a great way to revitalize and acknowledge the past; now they have an opportunity to move forward with some great performers who deserve some more original characters. I think Muppets based on them would be a great nod to them.

    I seem to remember Dave Goelz saying he didn't like that aspect of GMC, but I thought it was pure genius. Start out the movie with Kermit saying, "In this movie, we're playing..." and you can go anywhere from there. But I agree with the sentiment that it shouldn't be a period piece. GMC was a nod to the caper movies of the past, but took place in the [then] present. There are lots of genres to be explored - disaster films, buddy/cop comedies, rom-coms, supernatural thrillers, etc. As long as they go for a style tribute and not a straight parody there are lots of ways for this to go.

    That would make for an awesome TV special. I can see them backstage running into a lost Spinal Tap.
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't mind a Muppet Western if done properly... the Muppets had a LONG history of Westerns, going all the way back to the Sam and Friends Powder Burn segment. But then again, the main thesis of this movie was that it wasn't a gimmick driven film... but then, we're seeing a lot of westerns these days. Of course, this is all a speculative theory of one member.

    But other than that, let's say Jason and the rest didn't helm this movie, they went in house, and they did another classic retelling... I don't think anyone here would have been a quarter as excited about the film, if at all. MCC and MTI were at least well done, good looking films in their own right, and we have to thank Jerry Juhl's writing for making those as good as they were considering... but if we did get a retelling, we'd wind up with another WOZ-like film, featuring an overdone story that wouldn't be advisable, with the Muppets playing third and fourth to human roles. It would have a million times the ADHD that this film's poor choices in editing would have, it would do meh... and we'd wind up with another film just like it.
  4. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I'm just so glad they brought him back as the main villain for the MWDW special. After decades of Henson consumption I still feel that special is one of the top 5 Muppet things I've seen. Bringing him back in some capacity would be perfect
  5. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Had THIS been what the new Muppet movie was, *or* more importantly what the next one could be...tell me you wouldn't be giddy as could be? :)



    That is 100% what I envision a modern Muppet film to be, not ABC family movie sparkle and gloss.
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I agree. It would have been great if more of the movie had been like that clip. I kind of look at "The Muppets" as the gang's reboot. It was their "Batman Begins" if you will. Lots had to be reestablished for a new generation while still respecting the history that came before. While the film was very good, the next one could be a real unexpected gem.

    I have my list of improvements that could have been made in "The Muppets," but it's one of those rare films that kind of accomplished the impossible task of pleasing nearly everybody. I'm glad none of our fan hands tinkered with this magical formula. The flip side of it is that some elements become watered-down. Some people are turned-off when strong creative choices are made, but I hope they make more of them in the next film. A clearer vision.

    One question is whatever happened to the network pitch pilot that reunited all the characters in a similar way? Remember, the one that included Sam as an airport screener? That would make a great home video extra somewhere down the line.
  7. Borples

    Borples Active Member

    Heh heh. I just had a mental image of a camera panning down the street, and passing by a group of these six Muppets singing on a corner or something. I suppose they'd never build the puppets just for that, and no one would even get it other than hardcore fans. But it would be beautiful. :D
  8. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well it brought the gang to the absolute forefront of the public mind, even if not every college/adult person who remembers the muppets turned out. And it got a pretty much perfect rating with all professional critics which is weird.

    It's funny you brought up Batman Begins, as I find it a little dull. But Dark Knight I've probably seen nearly a dozen times. I just strongly feel that there is a brilliant magic when the muppets are treated like people in the real world. The world of "The Muppets 2011" is very much fantasy. Even with GMC where they're acknowledged actors within the film playing out a heist movie, its still very much rooted in reality. When Animal blows up big at the end of the first muppet movie, it doesnt feel jarring or out of place to me because the whole film is played so naturalistic and straight. I don't think TMM or TMTM would have worked if every few minutes they were breaking forth wall and doing surreal fantastical stuff with a wink and a nod.

    What's this about a pitch pilot with Sam as an airport screener? I never heard of that! Sounds intriguing.
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  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    That was something discussed 6 years ago or so...during my hiatus at MC.
  10. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    That's what I was thinking when I watched the movie, (which I didn't enjoy at all)
    Who is Labyrinth supposed to be aiming at? It's too scary for little kids and too comically ridiculous for adults, plus there's songs in it, which makes it more ridiculous because I thought it was supposed to be a scary/exciting movie.
  11. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Actually it was one of my favorite movies as a very small child, lol.
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  12. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I never felt it was scary or even supposed to be particularly. I just find the characters very endearing and enjoy the story about growing up but not letting go of childhood fantasies.
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  13. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Sorry for the multiple quotes, but just wanted to also point out that my father has always been a fan of the movie, lol. :)
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Labyrinth did have an issue finding a theatrical audience. I always thought it could have used more of a sense of jeopardy. I wish they could have maintained the scariness of the first ten minutes, but that doesn't seem to be the film Jim wanted to make. Still, a very enjoyable movie. I loved the music and Bowie. In fact, with all of the movies being turned into musicals, why haven't they tried to do Labyrinth? There's an opportunity to rework it, and probably with Bowie, to be something really great. Imagine what the Henson Company could do with the sets and stage puppetry!
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  15. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well I can tell you who the movie is for i the modern era: goth chicks and nerds:)
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  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah. It strangely got that cult following all the sudden. I bet those meh Tokyo Pop ginzu mangas did the trick. I'm seeing a LOT of teenagers getting into Labyrinth all the sudden.
  17. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    I'm surprised to hear that Dave Goelz would react that way - I think it was "pure genius" too and it remains a big part of why GMC is still one of my favourite movies (Muppet or otherwise). It allowed the Muppets to be themselves while still introducing some new character dynamics, and I think that approach could work beautifully in the next Muppet movie.

    I like the idea of a genre parody that doesn't hamstring the characters into abandoning the characteristics that have earned them such worldwide affection and admiration. Through all the movies, TMS, the virals and even Muppets Tonight, the team has consistently proven they can zing just about any entertainment style without the parodied genre swallowing them whole.

    I'd even entertain a Muppet western, but a part of me wonders if that could draw some unwelcome Rango comparisons (especially since the voice Johnny Depp gave to that character made him seem like a distant cousin to Kermit). Nothing wrong with Rango - I really enjoyed it and was glad it snapped up the Best Animated Feature Academy Award - I'd just like to see something else, that's all.
  18. zoebell

    zoebell Active Member

    i would also prefer it if they weren't placed into a type of plot that requires them to not know each other

    it's better (imo) when they are truly themselves as much as possible, and a group and all
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd tend to think Rango would be a reason why NOT to make this a western for the same reason. But only one person said Western, and it was just a hypothetical guess. I just want that to be perfectly clear if someone's skimming these threads and spreads a rumor that the next film will be one.

    Still, I swear that they (the writers of this last one) swore that there was one... I recall hearing Muppets Out West and Muppets Underwater for the motivations for making the movie we wound up with. Somehow, I wish that someone made Muppets go Medieval in the 90's, and got Phil Hartman to play Troy McClure... that woulda been funny, I guess.
  20. Cal

    Cal New Member

    So.... am I the only one who would like the tone of the latest movie retained still? I mean, I would like this potential follow up to have smaller, more independent scenes akin to that office extra posted before - which the new movie lacked - but I wouldn't want to see the glossy, colourful, wham-bam-thank-you-man tongue in cheek fantasy tone (...I guess that's the best way to describe it) of the latest one scrapped. I'd wager a balance of both is required. I think the only movie that was successful with pulling off just the independent film spirit was the Muppet Movie, and even that had its glossier, fantasy moments - such as "Never Before, Never Again", the pie-in-the-face-but-instead-of-a-face-it's-a-car-gag, Gonzo flying on the balloons, Animal growing to super size, the Rainbow Connection finale... I really wouldn't want a film that takes the independent tone and makes it dull and almost lifeless, which I could see happening - I felt IAVMMCM did that already, to a large extent. I mean, I loved certain down-to-earth moments in that film - the opening with the a twist old "I sold my (something) collection to buy you something for your collection!" "but I sold my (something) collection to buy you something for your collection!" gag, Bunsen explaining how they could save money, the Muppets squabbling amongst each other when forced to take a pay cut... but the vast majority of that movie ended up conforming too much to such a tone and the whole project ended up feeling flat. It coulda done with some gloss to liven it up a bit... not counting the Christmas show part, which ended up feeling majorly surreal more than anything.
    I think the Great Muppet Caper should be the ideal hopping off point in terms of tone and humour. Completely insane and off the wall, with some big, over the top musical numbers and a cavalcade of fourth wall jokes, but with some genuine, quieter moments and normal set pieces and situations, which bought the movie down to Earth when it needed to.
    As for genre... well, possibilities are endless. Part of me wants to see an adventure/expedition film, ala Indiana Jones. Not too sure why, I just think the Muppets could rock that genre. Another one I'd like to see would be film noir, although that would have to be executed JUST right to make it work. It's a shame that a lot of kids (and adults, for that matter) would, most likely, be put off by black and white though.
    Oh, and yeah, definitely no to a sequel. That story's been done, dusted. No more Gary, Mary, or Tex. I'd like to see Walter again though, given he's part of the Muppet Troupe now, although it seems a surprising number of people - not on this forum though - seem to not want him back to any extent.

    Sorry if this post's gone on a large ramble on things not directly related with the potential upcoming movie - I do have a tendancy to go on long tangents. :o But yeah, more to the point - a new Muppet movie, and being planned so soon after the last one - pretty bloody exciting, it has to be said! :D


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