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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Drtooth, Nov 24, 2003.

  1. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah there's a lot of major '80s cartoons that never had a Christmas special for some reason. I guess we were spoiled by the He-Man and She-Ra Christmas Special, lol.

    Yeah his power pretty much lies in fans desperately wanting to believe him, lol.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah... it took Inspector Gadget into the 90's to get one. And about 8 years after the show ended. Too bad they didn't get a better animation studio. But then again, The Smurfs got 2.



    The consensus is, the first half of the film would have been a love letter to fans, but the second half was basically the equivalent of "Yeah, I was kidding. Also I XXXXX'd yer mom [trollface]"
  3. DramaQueenMokey

    DramaQueenMokey Well-Known Member

    See, I can't say the Christmas Special killed my childhood because I watched a version where this British guy and his girlfriend (who had a strong NY accent XD) were doing commentary as the special played and that made it bearable and actually enjoyable to watch because they were saying everything I was thinking! But otherwise, DON'T WATCH THE CHRISTMAS SPECIAL!

    Here are links to the 2k3 X-mas special:

    <--- part 1
    <---- part 2

    That TMNT X-mas special (even though its just a 2k3 episode and not exactly a special) is worth watching!
  4. Fragglemuppet

    Fragglemuppet Well-Known Member

    Eh, it was pretty good. All the family and friends at April's was great to watch, among the highlights were her pranking Casey with the help of that Justice Force guy, and Leo and Usagi's awkward gift exchange, lol. As for Mikey's subplot which is where the title came from, it was a bit odd, but there was Klunk! Gotta love that!
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I did the brave thing and suffered through it to make a Youtube Poop. It was painful! And to edit a video like that means I had to watch scenes OVER and over.
  6. robodog

    robodog Active Member

    I wouldn't have expected much from the Christmas special. The Turtles don't seem to do well in live action unless they have movie level funding behind them. Look how bad The Next Mutation turned out.
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  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The Next Mutation suits were much better than these (even though they're inferior rubber suits to the film ones). But The Christmas special and Next Mutation are bad on different levels. The low budget and ugly look of the Christmas special is part of why it's terrible, no question. The real stinkfest is the horrible "turtlized" lyrics they threw into the public domain Christmas music. No, scratch that... the fact that whoever wrote this pretty much said "all the turtles are Michelangelo from the 80's series and all they care about is pizza, comics, and extreme stuff." A) look at what they give Splinter, and the gifts they consider and B) the lyrics of their version of 12 Days of Christmas. All the characters have been written generically and have been Flanderized down to a didn't do the research shallow parody version of themselves.

    As for Next Mutation... I really felt betrayed by that show. It started off quite good, and as expected for a live action version of the characters. Then they tossed in Mary Sue-elangelo due to pressure from the network, and the show went downhill fast. The suits weren't movie quality, but the show had such an insane budget that it broke the show. Next Mutation wasn't canceled due to low ratings. Not at all. The budget was just intense. And unlike the other Saban shows at the time, they couldn't fudge the budget with footage from Japanese series. They had to do their own action scenes. And the worst part was, the second season sounded like a complete turn around. A death in the family (I hope it was Venus), Casey and April were supposed to make the scene. They even considered going back to animation, but it just disappeared from there.
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  8. Hayley B

    Hayley B Active Member

    Never seen Next Mutation. For some reason I felt that they would probably come up with a girl mutant ninja turtle though. Just had that Chipmunks sense.
  9. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    LOLOL, love it. :insatiable:

    Which I frankly never understand. I never started watching a "boy show" because they suddenly added female characters.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    You don't add a girl Ninja Turtle for the fact that you don't add a fourth Stooge (recasts for Curly and Shemp don't count... I mean, 4 at once). Venus was the Yoko Ono of the TMNT set, and not even the TMNT creators were happy about her. But the network insisted they needed a positive female role model, and they wanted to wait until season 2 to put April in the series.

    Plus, lizard mutant girl Mona Lisa from the 1980's series was a better character anyway. Too bad, like all too many characters in TMNT, they weren't used as much as they should have been in the 80's show.
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  11. Hayley B

    Hayley B Active Member

    Me either. But then again. I was a only girl with three brothers. So, I had to have my brothers have a turn with the tv. Sat through TMNT, He-Man, & GoBots. Ended up liking these shows along with them too.

    Alot of girls in my day liked TMNT. Yet the media was only thinking that boys do.
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  12. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yawn, lol. Concentrate on making a likeable character first. Of course it's much easier to just fill a quota.

    Yeah Mona Lisa worked well with Raphael actually. That was another time when I could believe the 87 turtles were teenagers.

    There's far too many tunnel vision people in this world, lol.
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  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    It drives me extremely nuts because the female role models in boys shows are better than some of the ones they have in actual Girl's shows. But some of those positive female role models happen organically in a super hero show when there's female characters in the team to begin with. Storm, Wonder Woman, Raven, for example. April was always strong (stronger in the 2k3 series, not being the hostage most of the time). But to add an inorganic character that throws off the balance of the characters in the show to fill some sort of mandated requirement for artificial tolerance? That's never good. Though I do like how they averted having to put Hawaiian Hula-Hula in the 79 Plastic Man show by making him sound like Lou Costello (which would have worked just as well for Woozy Winks anyway) and have him be the bad luck character that actually affects the hero.

    Still... they didn't need a girl turtle.
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  14. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    '87 April was strongest in the Channel 6 scenes. I always liked the way she had to sarcastically put up with all the crazies around her, lol.
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  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I hate to say this, but part of the blame goes to the women's rights groups who go around accusing the networks of sexism, thus pressuring the networks to create quota filler characters with zero personality.

    Rights groups are important, but sometimes they can be very narrow thinking.
  16. Fragglemuppet

    Fragglemuppet Well-Known Member

    On the other hand, how strong is too strong? I love the idea of April, as I've always loved what I call the outside friend, (although I'm sure DrTooth would know the propper term if there is one. The person in supernatural or superhero shows like this, who's not really a part of the main group but is still close to them and knows their secret. Anyway, that being said, I had problems with both cartoon versions of her. In the 80's toon though, her being rescued so often by the turtles wasn't one of them. She had spunk and would sometimes get in over her head. Granted, there's a lot I haven't seen. I've only seen season 1, parts of seasons 2 and 3, and season 6, lol, so maybe it does in fact get old and I just haven't been over-exposed to it. My problems with the 80's April were her constant search for a story without seeming to care how sensitive the situation around her was at least in the beginning, the general fact that she could be just about as cheesy as the rest of the show, and how snippy she could be with the guys.
    There were many things I liked about the 03 April. She was inteligent, showed many times that she genuinely cared about the guys, and had realistic problems to face like losing her job, running a failing business, and having her building burned down. My issue with her is that while the other April could seem too superficially bubbley at times, this one seemed a bit flat. I mean, I know there was a limited amount of time, and there was action to get on with, but her boss tried to kill her! Turtles or no turtles, (besides the fact that if there were no turtles she'd be dead, lol), I'd expect her to be maybe a bit more shocked and upset about it than she was! That's just the first example. It seemed to me that she never really showed much extreme emotion. She would get frustrated at the guys, annoyed at Casey, but mostly it seemed she sort of ran at one speed. Homicidal employers aside, we all have days when we're tired, or just lazy, or sad, or just in a bad mood for no particular reason. She just always seemed ready to "go go go" however, and then she added ninjitsu as well? Nothing wrong with wanting to be helpful and get in on the action, I guess, but it seems they tried to make her out as some sort of superwoman, who was almost the same as the guys. They're mutant turtles who've had a combined 4 lifetimes of training! It's not that she can't do it because she's weak or a woman or anything, but she can't expect to get anywhere near their level over night, and she's just plain not them! Getting back to my original reason for this post, maybe a little weakness now and then isn't a bad thing?
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  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Sometimes it's directly and sometimes it's indirectly (fear of letters), sometimes it's a self imposed pre-emptive strike, sometimes it's the off hand that they'll buy more toys. They do care who watches the shows, but they could care less who buys the toys. Even if Sid from Toy Story type kids buy them to blow them up, what do they care? They have the money. In the case of film, they add flat female characters to get more little girls in theater seats, even though they rarely market the films with said flat characters, giving you a "What was the point of that" aneurism. Like a certain duller than your average movie about a smarter than your average bear.

    And here's the WORST thing... it's completely hypocritical with a maddening double standard. Toy companies refuse to add the female characters to the line up most of the time. This never was a problem with TMNT. April (in every incarnation), Irma, Karai, Venus, I think Mona Lisa, and while not produced, there was a planned Starlee figure. As much as I have problems with Playmates, they never shied away from female characters. However, Mattel skipped Mira Nova from Buzz Lightyear of Star Command dooming us BLoSC fans to have an incomplete crew, they hate the women of Avatar: The Last Airbender, Nami was no where to be found in their terrible One Piece line up, I can't remember if they made any of the female characters in Naruto (I never really followed that, though I know they had a smaller PVC of her in a 3 pack with Naruto and Sasuke). And NO female characters from The Batman or Batman:Brave and the Bold.... yet they do have a good amount of female characters in every other DC comics line.
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  18. Hayley B

    Hayley B Active Member

    I kind of would like to see their theme song a couple more times. Their image in the end kind of looked like their cover from their first comic.

    My mother just saw this show for a little bit. She just said they look bad. "Not the quality you guys got as kids" - Mom
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  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I really think that April constantly being a damsel in distress kinda contradicted how strong she was trying to get a story. Sure, she was a feisty captive, but constantly a captive none the less. And she was always the victim of some villain of the week, especially when she was turned into a fish woman in the terrible "Rebel without a Fin" episode. I agree, if it's one thing that made April great in 2K3, it was that she trained under Splinter with the turtles in self defense. You'd think April would have learned better in the old series after getting caught by Shredder all those times.

    Though, as much as I hate the last Red Sky season, I really liked April's role as the computer using informant that had to communicate with them secretly. Too bad all the best concepts of the show were wasted in one season...
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  20. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I don't get mad about that as much as everyone else. She's a human, she's not a ninja, of course she's going to get captured. The same would likely happen to your average man. That doesn't mean they're not strong characters. It just means they're civilians, the kind the Turtles are supposed to be protecting.


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