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The last two busts have been revealed.

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by Crazy Harry, Jul 18, 2003.

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Could you be more descriptive on the visuals of Piggy and Fozzie? Coloring, eye placement, likeness, texture...
  2. tomahawk

    tomahawk Well-Known Member

    The thing with Fozzie that I believe people have the problem with is the eyes and the nose. They might be a little too close together. When you look at him up close it takes a little of that away. His texture is great. Along the same lines as Sam.

    With Miss. Piggy it's more difficult. Like I said there is always something missing with her. The texture looks good on the bust. I think maybe she is the one Muppet that needs to be moving for me to say, wow thats Miss. Piggy. I don't know if that makes sense but it's Sun., I'm relaxed and I'm in Muppet heaven right now.
  3. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    I think the thing missing from Piggy is the blond hair. I notived that when a product of her has yellow hair, somthing seems like it's missing, but when she has realistic blond hair, see seems great. This happens even when the sculpt is the same.
  4. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Did Fozzie still look like THIS?

    That is a pitiful looking Fozzie IMHO. I hope they did better. Maybe it's just the early prototype, but it looked the same in the picture. Kind of like Fozzie's cousin that they don't talk about. :o
  5. Crazy Harry

    Crazy Harry Well-Known Member

    Guess it's just a bad angle.
  6. Muppetsdownunder

    Muppetsdownunder Well-Known Member

    You are one lucky guy being able to go to that convention, that would be any collectors or muppet fans dream. What do you have to do to go there?

    Do you have to have a shop or something?

  7. Chad Kermit

    Chad Kermit Well-Known Member

    I think we may be seeing more of the Henson company controling what the characters look like vs what we think they look like again. Sideshow initally went more blond on the Kira doll they produced but henson wanted a more greenish color and then it became too green.

    Henson Co. does very strange things to Piggy. I know Ken has said how Henson wants her slimmer and like the newer version of the puppet. And maybe Henson trusts the judgements more of Palisades more now since they've had so much success together. Can't wait to see Palisades PIS Piggy. She may be the best likeness ever of the character.

    I believe Animals other arm is there you have to look closely. It looks like he's grabbing at his collar.

    But I do agree for the price and the material the busts are made of there should be no reason that these characters cannot be captured perfectly. But will that stop me from getting the whole set? No. So far my favorite remains Rowlf in the Sideshow line.

    Chad Kermit
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Better Pics Of New Busts.

    click here!!!! Ken found this link for me. Piggy...well, she's not as bad as I thought, but it's like they tried to make her look more like the EB figure when they were already on the right track. Teeth kicks butt and Harry has more hair. Animal and Fozzie aren't shown.
  9. JamieDenny

    JamieDenny Well-Known Member

    I agree the Piggy bust looks a lot better than i thought, may even buy it :)

  10. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't say that Fozzie is pittful, I mean it would be unfair if we couldn't say something about Paliades PVC of Sam the Eagle AKA "Golf ball bodied Sam"

    I think the sideshow Fozzie's body looks great!! just like how Palisades PVC of Sam's face is great! If both companies could work together they could take over the world!!! or ummm create even greater Muppet products!
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I have to disagree with your characterization of how Weta's Fozzie looks. The Sam PVC has a great face and should not be compared to this Fozzie. There is no connection.

    This looks like Fozzie's slow-witted cousin they don't talk about. Everything about his face proportions are off. http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=muppets&item=8009R&type=store This doesn't look like any Fozzie I have seen. Head shape, eye position, nose and even hat are off. I hope it is fixed prior to release. I see they fixed Harry. Would you shell out 60 bucks for this Fozzie? I will to complete my set, but I'm not happy about it. :o

    On the other hand, Animal and Teeth look very good. Also, if they do release yellow headed Piggy, I will put a wash over her hair myself. Might as well. Would greatly improve the bust.
  12. Link Hogthrob

    Link Hogthrob Well-Known Member

    See, now this I do not understand...if you dislike it that much, don't buy it. I understand the completist mind and I understand the collector's mind, but I don't understand ranting about something as badly as you did and then ending my own rant with: "but...I will pay $60 for it!" In 20 years if the only Muppet bust you don't have is Fozzie you can sit back and say, "Well, I'm one Muppet bust short, but at least I didn't waste $60 on something that is such a horrible piece of merchandise!"
    And Piggy, why would you paint her hair? Her hair has been this color on every piece of Piggy merchandise for the past 10 years! Have you repainted the hair on EVERY Piggy piece you have? And, although I really can't say unless I see it in person, I imagine that if you paint her hair, it won't look "greatly improved", but rather tacky. IMHO :halo:
  13. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    How can you have a collection without Fozzie? I'm allowed to be upset by the bust. I'm buying it. Others complain about items they will never buy. I just don't see how they could have gotten Fozzie so wrong.

    These are realistic representations of the characters, not cartoon versions. The initial press release from Sideshow noted how these would be as close to the puppets as possible.If you took a look at the first Miss Piggy bust you would understand the dramatic difference in color now. It is possible Henson could have had it changed because of some arbitrary rule, but that doesn't mean I can't gently wash over the hair with another color to neutralize the yellow. That is a proactive solution to my problem with the sculpt. It has also been done to the EB Piggy figure by fan artists over at the Palisades board to great success. Piggy once was the best bust of the line, but is now one that some will skip. If they offered a choice, more people would buy the early prototype.

    Ultimately this is a forum - a place where we discuss these issues with other fans. We're allowed to rant about such things. If not here, where? So, Fozzie will likely go to the back of the collection, but he has to be included. It would negate the reason for buying the entire set and makes no sense to me. I just wish they allowed fan input into these. That's what has helped Palisades so much. Both companies are very talented in their own right, but fan input gives it that extra edge and shows that the company cares about their consumrers.

    BTW, have you purchased any of these?
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

  15. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Well-Known Member

    Hi Jamie, :sympathy: I sadly have to say that I feel you shut out my opinion, I know your a mod and all but this is how a feel. The connection is they are Muppet products and when you boil it down it's just a silly peice of plastic and a hunk of ploystone.

    If Fozzie was my number 1 favorite, I would buy this bust and be happy with it. it could be better, it could be a lot better, but there is still nice quality's to it in my eye's. I just got Rowlf and I think that's all i'm getting and I'm very happy with him.

    If you don't like the Fozzie but your are still buying him, that's fine, but I also think it's fine for me to say that there are still nice quality's to Fozzie and i'm not buy him.

  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    It's fine for you to say that and perfectly fine for me to disagree. That's what we all do in forums. I see no connection to the likeness of a mini PVC worth a couple of bucks and of a sixty-dollar polystone bust. Apples and oranges. In fact, I am disappointed with how a couple of the PVC minis came out. The Fozzie mini isn't the best either.

    The Fozzie Bear bust sticks out like a sore thumb among Weta's other products. As a committed collector of the line I have a legitimate complaint. I do hope it looks better in person. Ultimately forums are about communicating - agreeing and disagreeing. You should never take any post personally. I'm sorry if you did, but all I said is that I disagreed with you.

    Technically none of the busts are really worth the hefty price tag. They are outrageously overpriced, but are also some of the best Muppet product ever made. Can’t pass them up – even the lack-luster Fozzie (or Fozzie’s cousin as I like to think of him). They’ve had a year to improve it, but haven’t done so and do not appear to be open to fan input. Such issues could have been easily solved with a little help from the fans. Some of the busts like Fozzie, Link and Piggy have not lived up to the promise in their initial press release. Consumers have a right to call them on it. * Especially one who's sunk nearly 600 bucks into it so far.
  17. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    why can't they just put the second dress on the first one...it doesn't even look puppet-y!
  18. Link Hogthrob

    Link Hogthrob Well-Known Member

    AH!! Now, this I can agree upon with you...the busts are severely overpriced! And, I do agree that Fozzie looks very bad!! I guess I just don't understand paying so much for something that I dislike so greatly even if it does complete my collection.

    And, as unpopular as it seems to be, I really like the newPiggy. The hairstyle looks more like the actual Piggy's, the purple dress, etc. BUT, the hair coloring is a bit to "vibrant"...I guess I've just gotten used to it. People have been complaining about her ears looking like a rabbit's (which they do), but I think the original prototype's ears look just as rabbit-like!

    So, because I respect your right to say what you feel (and my right to disagree :D ) I raise my glass and toast your soon to be completed collection of Muppet busts, Jamie! ;)

    Oh, and yes, I have bought several (6...and waiting on Link) and I agreed w/ a much earlier statement you made about Scooter not looking like he should...very bumpy
  19. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Which ones did you buy? Curious. I think the real Piggy bust is somewhere in the middle of the two. The new one just doesn't have that spark. The first one is so alive. And even though I like the purple, she actually looks better with the red coloring. It warms her up. Wonder if there's a color in between.

    I suspect Henson is behind some of the changes because the bust looks so much like the other Piggy merchandise. I hope it looks better in person. I'm looking into just how I'd add a light brown wash to the hair. You know, it would be semi-transparent and fall in some of the cracks to give it more dimension.

    Was just thinking - a Pepe bust would be so cool. Too bad he wasn't on The Muppet Show, but how would they do his hair?

    Fozzie is a disappointment, but he'll peek out from the back of my collection. I still don't get how so many elements are off, but maybe they will be fixed.
  20. tomahawk

    tomahawk Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry I didn't get more info for everyone. Sideshow was spending a lot of time and money on The Lord of the Rings stuff. I wish now that I would have asked if Piggy and Fozzie were finalized. Like I said, to me Fozzie looks better up close, but you're right. His face is off.

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