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"The Muppets" first preview screening

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by hiho2themuppets, Aug 19, 2011.

  1. redBoobergurl

    redBoobergurl Well-Known Member

    Just read this whole thread, or well, most of it anyway, kind of skimmed some, but from what I've read I'm very, very happy. And possibly more excited yet again, as if that was even possible! Thanks to those sharing their knowledge!
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    INSANELY positive reviews of the film from Aintitcool news: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50892 In fact, it seems like every 4 or 5 news updates is Muppet related, they're going nuts over there for it:) AICN is one of the most popular movie news site on the internet
  3. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I sure hope so! The Tron Legacy dvd has absolutely nothing on it at all.
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I'm liking what I've been reading in this thread and in the reviews posted.

    Regarding that list of characters in order of most-to-least screentime, I am a little surprised, though I guess some of it is subjective in determining (especially after only one viewing). And I guess it doesn't reflect who has most-to-least dialogue (I am not asking to know). But I am a little surprised to see that Sam, Crazy Harry, Lew Zealand, aand Beauregard have more screen time than Statler and Waldorf. I know those two usually only get a few scenes, and their amount of scenes/dialogue is probably more than some of those others, but I was expecting them to be a little crucial to the plot, due to the scene in the trailer where they appear with the villian (maybe it's their only scene with him, maybe not).

    Also surprised to see Pepe listed as having more screentime than Janice, since he only has one scene. I know that Janice doesn't have any lines, but based on what I've read I would think she would be on-screen more. Also surprised to see Zoot is more important here.
  5. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I'm thinking their had to be an agreed upon reason for Pepe, Rizzo and other mainstays being pretty much MIA...as I dont think chalking it up to Segal's possible non post JH knowledge of the franchise would cut it. Pepe and Rizzo have been built up as part of the main core, so to me it is quite baffling why they aren't in there. The dynamic between Gonzo and Rizzo especially, or the fun shenanigans between Pepe and Rizzo. Rizzo doesn't even have ONE line?
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  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    And as far as I can tell not much of what's been revealed in this thread has been posted in other threads. I've done my best not to mention information only found here and no other review or article, and we should probably try not to until the movie comes out (unless it's mentioned in an article on the movie or an interview or something like that).
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  7. outerelf

    outerelf Well-Known Member

    This is a thread for non-spoiler information really. We aren't asking for specifics and we aren't asking for a detailed blow-by-blow transcript. We want to know however if our excitement going to be validated. If we're going to get the bang for our buck, or if it's going to turn out like another Yogi Bear movie or another Muppets From Space.
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  8. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    Why do ya'll want more Pepe? He's already been in a lot of stuff and annoyed the heck out of people. He's like a kid with adhd who doesn't know when to shut up.
  9. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    It will make more sense when you see how S&W fit in the larger picture in this film compared with the others named.
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Is this a rhetorical question or do you really desire an answer? I guess everyone has their faves. I've been a Muppet fan since the show originally aired. 1979's Muppet Movie was the first film I ever saw in theaters. I'm a die-hard fan who not only loves Pepe - I believe him to be the singularly most important Muppet/Henson creation since Jim Henson passed. Pepe's funny and he connects with a lot of people too.

    That said, Pepe carried the brand far too much in recent productions and he was dangerously approaching Elmo territory in the Muppet Show world. This film scales him back a little and I'm thankful for that. I do believe he's earned main ensemble character status. Personally, my Muppet ranking order for character screentime importance would be about like this: Kermit, Fozzie, Gonzo, Miss Piggy, Scooter, Rowlf, Pepe, Rizzo, Animal, Beaker, Bunsen, Sam, the Electric Mayhem, Swedish Chef, Stalter, Waldorf, Robin, Sweetums and so on.
    So yeah, he'd be number 8. I know you probably disagree, but you asked a question. Question answered.
  11. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Okay, getting back to non-rhetorical questions for those who saw the preview...

    In the trailer, the shot of the Muppet Show Opening Theme arches has some spaces empty. Some of us have been speculating that this may be either due to (a) the shot still being worked on in post production and/or (b) a deliberate attempt to hide a spoiler.

    WITHOUT spoiling the reason why they're (not) filled, are all the arches indeed filled in the actual movie in that shot?
  12. AndyWan Kenobi

    AndyWan Kenobi Well-Known Member

    Me too. I'm going to try to save myself for the movie as much as possible. And if there's a ton of stuff that didn't make the final cut, here's to a jam-packed dvd set! :)
  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Really? The plot has been known for a few years now. It's been mentioned in Muppet Wiki, various press reports, the recent Ain't It Cool News reviews, and various other places.

    But to be repetitive, the plot is that the Muppets have split up for some time, and when Muppet fans Gary, Mary, and Walter find out the Muppet Theater is in danger of being in the possession of an oil tycoon who wants to tear the theater down, these fans travel around the world to get the Muppets back together to save the theater by doing a telethon to raise the money needed to save the theater.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yogi Bear was a sloppy kid's movie that used every cliche in the book. Know how bad it was? The Smurfs movie wasn't that poorly put together, even though that movie was pretty generic as well (just the human actors could ACT and felt like they wanted to be there... especially Hank Azaria). But there's nothing good I can say about Yogi, other than the random Weird Al song they shoved in the sound track. Yogi Bear has a thin concept, and frankly, they didn't turn much of it on its ear... but still, they managed to find a way to screw it up with a generic script and poor acting from uninterested human actors.

    MFS is different. The was the subject of a forced space concept (Star Wars 1 was that summer and everyone was trying to reference it), an overworked script, and a director that didn't care to be there other than using it as a stepping stone, changed a lot of the script, and worst of all, not having a basic understanding of what the Muppets were. he took a movie and made it less enjoyable than it could have been.

    HOWEVER, with this film, the word is the directors and writers had a symbiotic relationship, the director being such a fan that he was more knowledgeable about certain characters... compare that with "Eating poo poos is FUNNY" Tim Hill.
  15. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    I know the plot lol i meant a more in depth plot like scene by scene :super: :concern: :rolleyes:
  16. RockSTAR girl

    RockSTAR girl Well-Known Member

    Was at D23 all weekend, didnt have a chance to come read this thread til now.... but I also was at the screening and I just have to say, it will be the Muppet movie we've all been waiting for. It was nostalgic, hilarious, silly, fresh, and such a good time at the movies... and I HIGHLY recommend seeing this on a big theater screen. I definitely cried like a baby at several moments, especially when I thought about the fact that I never thought id see a great Muppet movie again. Bret McKenzies music is a HIGHHHlight. I'm already searching for a store that will let me preorder it because it is SO fantastic. I dont think anyone will be disappointed whatsoever. Also, just an extra juicy tidbit... Jason Segel had been in the theater and I got to talk to him for a moment after the screening, he was very gracious and took my compliments... it was nice to see him and the team really wanting to see how the movie played to an audience. Amazing experience, I dont know how I can wait until November to see it again.
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    And ironically, all three of those movies mentioned were directed by Tim Hill.
  18. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Ok, I'll admit that as much as I've been a zealous pro Pepe fanatic...looking back since 1999, and really since 2001...he's been definitely used ad nauseum...at times replacing Kermit as the go to Muppet representative in media. He'll probably have a scene stealing moment...I'm almost more baffled by the lack of Rizzo since he feels more classic.

    I think a lot of this has to do with Baretta wanting to focus on Rowlf. People think of Kermit and Gonzo, Kermit and Fozzie or Kermit and Piggy as the two main Muppet characters...but from the early 60's through mid 70's Rowlf was actually the second biggest Muppet and main character next to Kermit. He and especially Scooter had such a prominent role in the Muppet Show series, that it indeed was sad to see both take such a noticeable MIA backseat after Jim Henson. So this is kind of like their big comeback of sorts, within that ocntext I am not terribly bothered by the lack of Pepe and Rizzo...just find it odd since in online Muppet video content Rizzo and Pepe are portrayed as some of the main characters and they've been part and parcel to all Muppet specials and movies since the late 1990's.
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I wonder if it really is because of Baretta wanting to focus on Rowlf and not the writers desire to focus on the classics. I would think he'd be more comfortable with the characters he originated.
  20. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    Anytime Baretta is performing a character, it usually is Pepe. Why is that? I have no idea. Maybe because Pepe is an easier character to perform where as Rowlf is a bulkier character to perform like Fozzie. Maybe he likes to peform Pepe because he lets the character say whatever he wants.

    Anyway, it seems like from the reports of this movie and the pictures from the muppet wiki that the main core from the 70's/80's is back in place which includes, Kermit, Piggy, Fozzie, Rowlf, Gonzo, and Scooter. Pepe seems to be reduced to a minor role which is fine with me. He's been in too much in the last 12 years or so. Get back to the older characters and let them do their thing.

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