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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by hiho2themuppets, Aug 19, 2011.
I'd say chime in!
(I just wanted to say how happy I am to see new folks--welcome, welcome! We're so glad to see new faces, er, names and avatars. PLEASE jump in--we're not really that scary, and Kermit and the gang need ALL of us.)
Sorry, I didn't intend to offend you or anyone I just wasn't aware that anyone besides hiho2the muppets had seen it or had any knowledge of the movie otherwise.
but please if you can answer my questions, I'd love to hear any thing you have to say.
Welcome to the forum. If you saw the movie too, then please feel free to answer my questions! I think we all want to hear from people who've viewed the film or are somehow attached to the production. My question was about the very slim chance we'd get Fraggle or Sesame cameos. It's a longshot.
To my knowledge, they have gone deep into the muppet archive but have not "crossed genre's" into other Henson territory, I.e. Sesame St , etc.
Alright, let's see if I can plow through these.
Yes. I'm not sure if you're looking for spoilers or not, but there are definitely references to past Muppet movies. From the very beginning you see The Muppet Show footage.
I think it was written great. While Thog doesn't have any lines, Uncle Deadly was great and had his part in the story.
I was disappointed to see no speaking parts for Rizzo. I didn't even think he was in the movie until I spotted him in a trailer afterwards.
The fart shoes gag was meant to be so low humor that it made that scene humorous. There was no other real "Potty Humor" in the movie.
Well.. He wasn't with the Electric Mayhem at the time. But naturally, they get back together.
I'm positive that Janus nor her Moopet counterpard didn't say a word.
Although they may have been in the background somewhere, none of them stick out in my mind or had a speaking part.
Link and Strangepork didn't have any lines, but Wayne & Wanda did.. But the performer's voices didn't ring a bell.
It felt that Muppets gang definitely took up most of this movie.
I'm happy it's making people happy!
Prepare to be happy.
This movie is definitely perfect for everyone. (Including your nephews)
I didn't spot Big Mean Carl or any other post 1990s characters, but if you do, he doesn't say anything.
Unfortunately, Thog has no speaking lines. Behemoth on the other hand..
I didn't think they were overdone, I actually expected more. It feels like they cut a lot out. I was looking forward but didn't remember seeing any of Ricky Gervais or Billy Crystal, and the whole jail scene with Wanda Sykes and Danny Trejo was never shown.
I honestly think they all blended pretty well with the Muppets. The cameos that were shown, were all good ones.
TMS theme and The Rainbow Connection will be heard, as long as nods to other classic Muppet songs. The Mahna Mahna scene in the car that was shown in the trailer was not present in this screening.
It's hard to compare Miss Piggy in this movie because she is very to herself during most of the movie due to what's gone on during their split-up. But you'll see her in some nice outfits.
Bless you, dear. Thanks so much for perking up my day. (Er, night--um, early morning-ish.)
No Big Mean Carl?
Ok...hold the phone. Disney's Muppet team have for the last three years been building up Big Mean Carl, Pepe and Rizzo as some of the main characters next to the other guys. And while I am beyond thrilled Scooter and Rowlf are FINALLY back to the spotlight with good voices,
it puzzles me why Carl/Pepe/Rizzo are pretty much MIA. Is Segal completely unaware of anything after 1984? Or was this a Disney decision?
Also, that Trejo scene was perfect! They cut it?
And THEY CUT THE MAHNA MAHNA BUS GAG? That was one of the only few scenes I even liked in the full length trailer.
Sadly, from all Im reading and gathering it doesn't sound like there is that many surprises. I could be wrong, but so far it sounds like the only surprises are obscure TMS characters being present(which in itself is cool) and some visual gag references to past productions. Nothing too "holy batmobile! nooo way!" worthy.
I still cant believe they dont have Walter going online to look for Muppet info or Muppet forums/blogs/sites. I think they blew it on that one. Also, rushed ending? eeeeshh
What would you say the core characters are that get the most screentime?
Kermit, Miss Piggy, Fozzie, Gonzo, Scooter, Rowlf, Animal, Bunsen, Beaker, Sam, Floyd, Dr. Teeth, Janice, Zoot, Sweetums, Statler, Waldorf, Pepe, Rizzo, Crazy Harry, Robin, Lew...
Thanks for all that info Hiho ... I hope that the 1hr40mis worth of film contains all the 4 M's ... Musical,mayhem,memorable & MUPPETS , for us all fans to say at the end , that was all worth the wait .
my one and only question because i think people answered all my others and i didn't see this one asked. ;-)
Is Bean Bunny or Emily Bear in the movie?
Considering Link and Strangepork don't have any lines, I guess that means there are no new Pigs in Space sketches in the movie. Are any recurring sketches from The Muppet Show represented with any new sketches in the movie?
I would have expected the jail scene to be a big plot point somehow. With that cut I'd expect more to be cut (like why they got arrested and what is done to get them out of jail). But now I wonder if that scene was only shot for the second trailer (with the reports of those cameos being slightly misleading). Of course since a new ending was shot recently, I wonder if the jail stuff was cut out as a result of it.
I wonder if this movie is a situation similar to The Simpsons Movie, where there was enough footage cut for two whole movies (I don't expect The Muppets to have that much cut footage). I remember when that movie was released, it was said that a large percent of clips in the trailer were cut, as well as many celebrity cameos. If this is the case with The Muppets, I hope the DVD has most of the deleted scenes included (The Simpsons Movie DVD disapointingly had only six deleted scenes).
There was a lot of the Simpsons movie cut? Wonder why it wasnt on the home release, usually in 2d and 3d animation they don't waste much footage and animatics/early unfinished cgi is the only extras.
Sadly, these days there's no extras on dvds as they want to force people to all buy the blu ray versions instead
It was widely sourced. Sometime after the trailer came out I saw a quote from somebody who worked on the movie, saying most of the stuff in the trailer was already cut from the film. I don't really remember anything in the trailer that didn't make the film, aside from a shot of Itchy as a gangster. The original theatrical trailer doesn't even appear on the DVD.
I know that some celebrity voices were cut, a scene with Sideshow Bob was cut, and an ending scene with Kang and Kodos were cut. And yet none of those were on the special features (most of the deleted scenes we did get are very mediocre). If they couldn't include all the deleted scenes (it'd probably need to be a two-disc set for all the scenes) they should have at least included the stuff mentioned in the press releases. And considering all of the Simpsons season sets have been perfect when it comes to bonus features, it's a shame the DVD of the movie couldn't have been treated the same way. I've read that the blu-ray of the movie has the exact same features as the regular DVD and nothing else.
I'm confident that The Muppets will have a good DVD release. I think it was said that Disney wants to include video footage of the script read-through (I hope it doesn't get in the way of including deleted scenes and all the trailers). I'm hoping it'll be better than any Muppet movie DVD, past or present (and if it's a two-disc set then that'll be a first, not counting the two-disc-but-really-a-DVD-and-a-CD It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie).
Does the Electric Mayhem perform one of new songs?
Poor Linkie baby. His curse of never getting a line in a Muppet movie continues. Would love it if there was an inside joke reference gag where Biff and Sully style, he goes to say something and someone else cuts him off.
Seems like since "Muppets From Space", whenever there's been a new production we've been expecting recasts and many lines from those who have needed to be recasts, and often it's seemed like a let-down. While Rowlf, Scooter, and Dr. Teeth got dialogue in MFS, it was all one line or less. And then when It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie came out, Scooter and Janice were given many lines (Janice and Animal were the only members of the Electric Mayhem to get lines in the broadcast version) and Rowlf getting some brief vocal stuff (oh and all of Frank Oz's main characters were heard with new performers).
And then with The Muppets Wizard of Oz there was a bit more recasting, not just with Henson and Hunt's characters, but this time also Jerry Nelson's characters. Dr. Teeth was performed by Bill Barretta for the first time, Scooter was performed by Ricky Boyd for the only time (that recast was so perfect, I wonder why he didn't continue), Eric Jacobson did his first performance as Sam the Eagle, and we also got a recast Crazy Harry (like with Scooter, this was also Ricky Boyd's only performance as the character). And Rowlf got no dialogue.
And while Letters to Santa isn't a movie, we did get more recasts around that time, and this time the recasts seem to be permaneant now. It's known that Jerry Nelson trained Matt Vogel to perform his characters and trained David Rudman to perform Richard's (he had already taken over some of Richard's Sesame Street characters, and in the 40th anniversary book he says he was able to because he'd worked with Richard so much). I guess this happened sometime between 2005 and 2008. But most of the Muppets present in Letters to Santa got dialogue, even if some (Rowlf, Robin, Crazy Harry) only got one line. But even then, that's more than Rowlf's brief grunt and Dr. Teeth's one word in MFS.
I guess with this movie we were expecting dialogue from a lot of characters again, especially with the creative team wanting to focus on the classic characters. So I guess it is a surprise that Robin, Janice, Link, and Dr. Strangepork don't get any lines. Maybe they did and they were cut (I am most surprised that Janice doesn't seem to talk... I wonder if Zoot does). I'm sort of not surprised Thog doesn't have any lines, but I'm actually not surprised Wayne and Wanda do (if I saw the movie without seeing the trailers first then I would).
This screening was obviously a rough-cut. There could be one liners that need to be looped and some of the cut scenes could be sliced into the credits. You never know. I do believe they'll do something special for the closing credits.
Has anyone seen ANY Muppet related promo, advertising, merchandise, etc on the radar lately? Or is Disney waiting to September to start the push?
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