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The Muppets is Brainwashing Our Kids

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by MrBloogarFoobly, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Yes, it is. That's the FOX News cube on the left hand side that now says "WGF News." My thinking is that it could stand for "We Give Fake News." Hahaha.

    Anyway, the guy citing the Muppets movie as racist obviously didn't pay much attention. There were African Americans in Smalltown! And the Moopets weren't citing black culture, they were citing crass, urban culture. It is my belief that any politically incorrect racism is stemming from the author of the article. It doesn't mean a person (or Moopet) isn't white just because they dress and speak a particular way. That's what's racist! :p

    The Muppets are top celebrities again so people are gonna throw mud. I actually take it as a good sign. People are tools trying to ride the Muppets' coat tails to popularity by bashing them.
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  2. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    So caqn we look forward to Kermit and Piggy stories in the supermarket tabloids? Thats how you know when you've really made it :p
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  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm over the moon angry now because this new Firefox is so friggin unstable I'm posting this freaking thing for the third freaking time and I'm VERY angry about it.

    Anyway... Fox commentators don't see movies then complain about how they don't agree with themes that aren't even there... They attacked Secret of Arriety for being some communist brainwashing propaganda, when there wasn't anything anti-rich about the whole film. In fact, the distrust of handouts from humans to Borrowers sounds like a very libertarian ideal.

    Now I'm going to post a reply and post another one because I don't trust Firefox.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    We can attack Fox News all day, but this guy shows that idiotic unfounded agenda pushing complaints don't just come from the far right, but also the far left. The guy clearly is a racist, and he's one of the most annoying kinds of racists... the kind that don't think they're racist and have crusades about how racist they think everyone else is, all the while making themselves sound very racist in defense of not being racist.

    That's the problem with "political correctness" here. We can jump all over a commercial for having a "racist" accent (as long as it isn't Indians. YAY! Let's make fun of them and no one will complain! Tech n Talk is FUNNY!), but if there was a huge actual hate crime or race riot, those kind of people will give their best Jerry Seinfled "...That's a shame." and turn a blind eye. The actual violent acts of hate get ignored, but a TV show will get hundreds of letters. Welcome to the US.
  5. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    More like welcome to the times we live in. It's when I read stupid crap like this I wish I could turn the clock back to when I was a child. A time when you could say whatever you want and nobody could care two licks about it.
  6. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    You know I'd like to think we're all better than this. America is still one of the greatest places to live (no offense to those who don't live here...I'm sure where you live is all pretty swell too). Our country may have problems, but we have many freedoms as well. The problem comes when people abuse that freedom of speech and use it to say hateful and hurtful things (Meaningless accusations against fictional characters and muppets alike). It also doesn't help that the media grabs the negative (Liberal and conservative media alike) and puts it out there as a conspiracy or worse. I wish we would start looking at the positive things that America (or anywhere) has. For instance the Muppet Movie. It may sound silly, but I think a movie that doesn't resort to cheap low humor (we can forgive the fart shoes I think), insane amounts of pointless violence against people (Celebrities are not people I hear), and an attitude of hope (If not a real message other than the world need Muppets) should be celebrated. In this day and age there are always going to be those who spout the negative (My students would call the "haters" I believe...not to date myself or anything). If you look at history at any given point there are negative things about our country. People have fought (and died) to rectify those things. I guess it just seems with the media the way it is today it seems like everybody...good and bad has a bigger megaphone to talk through. I guess its up to all of us to brush off the negative and get out there and share the positive...that is what the muppets would do...and I think that is what Jim Henson would do. And I think all of us who have been touched by Jim Henson have a little of him in us. That is something worth sharing with the world.........sorry I'm rantng again. Have a good day everyone. I'm going to hide under a piece of furniture or something.
  7. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I personally feel unless Jim was alive today it's kind of hard to picture what he would do. I just know I hate politics and I hate politically correct. That's all I have to say and I'm not saying anymore on this topic.
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  8. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    OOO I like the shorter comment much better than mine. Politics bad (I'm a history teacher so I'm not really supposed to say that but.....)
  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Jim was very interested in the environment and bringing people together. His work rarely outright vilified anyone except for maybe Doc Hopper. J.P. Grosse, Nicky Holiday, the Skeksis and Jereth the Goblin King are all flawed characters. They choose less than ideal or unkind paths, but they are all still important to the world around them. None of these guys are outright evil. That's what makes Jim's work interesting. I also think that spirit is celebrated in Tex Richman. There would probably be less outcry if they'd made him a strip-mall developer instead of an oilman. Environmental issues really had no role int he film. Neither did corporate greed. Tex had a chip on his shoulder about the Muppets and his full song really would have helped illustrate that.

    Jim's "The Muppets" wouldn't have just been different. It would have been unnecessary. Jim was expanding his work into areas outside of the Muppets. It's even possible that Kermit and others could have been recast while he was still around. He was even in the early stages of creating an animated Muppet movie with the Disney animators. But we are where we are. And the Muppets are climbing back from obscurity. They've had their golden era. It's now time for their silver or bronze era. Ultimately, that could be much more interesting. Where do they go from here? Well, now they have endless options. :fanatic:
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  10. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I disagree that they had no role in the film, but yes I like that they initially did make the effort to make Tex more complex. :)
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    (This post was originally in response to another one)
    What part in the film was green-centered? Other than the presence of an oil man, what part really talked about any environmental issue?
  12. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    Kermit (sorry couldn't resist)
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  13. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Wealthy oil barons in Hollywood films are not going to be the good guys (nor should they be, heh). Tex tricks Kermit into thinking he's a philanthropist when really he wants to tear down the theater and make a profit. It was a small but clear jab at corporate types who claim to have good intentions but are really just out to make a profit for their company.

    I certainly get that they tried to write Tex as having a more detailed back story and that would have been fine as a deeper motivation. But that doesn't mean greed just didn't exist in his character.
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    (This post was originally in response to another one)
    That has to do with greed, but nothing about green causes or the environment which was my original statement.
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  15. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Maybe it's becuase they badly entertained them at their birthday parties.
  16. meepmuppaphones

    meepmuppaphones Active Member

    If they're gonna complain about Muppets, complain about the fact they are not complaining about bloody shooting games and inappropriate TV shows.
  17. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Haha this actually made me laugh! XD
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Like I said, a minute of film that, according to the DVD commentary according to the ToughPigs review, even the film makers were unhappy to find was missing, could have changed the film and given it some depth. I don't see how a minute would blow a running time out of proportion, leaving Lowes/AMC having to have a theater filled for another minute (if there's 10 showings a day, that's only 10 minutes... you couldn't possibly squeeze another showing in a day). But that's the shady relationship movie theaters have with the entertainment industry... maximizing profits by shortening movie times to fit in multiple screenings a day, screwing around with movies to fit a ratings guideline (making every R-rated movie PG-13 so 13 year olds who sneak into R rated films anyway can see them). But that's my last rant about that.

    But the Fox commentators wouldn't care if they had those scenes in the movies, they clearly go in with the plot synopsis of a movie scribbled on a napkin by an intern and use it for the outrage of the day. Like I said, their comments on Arrietty were so bogus, they could have came out with a more libertarian message than a liberal one. It's all part of the "Don't question our wealthy masters!" Red Scare tactics that we have in this country when it comes to treating a completely spoiled upper class. Think about it this way... how many rich people were good guys in fiction? Daddy Warbucks (written by a Conservative, BTW), Richie Rich, Batman, and late 50's era- today Scrooge McDuck (he was quite a nasty fellow in the 40's-early 50's). Of course, I should be able to sell you just on Batman.

    Why is the rich guy usually the bad guy then? Because they use them to talk about shady business practices. Ebeneezer Scrooge... commentary on 1800's England, where the Industrial Revolution brought low paying, dangerous jobs, creating orphans. Lex Luther... among other things, sold weapons to terrorists and spends a chunk of his fortune trying to kill Superman. And of course, the old cliche of the big rich real estate developer/oil man/general profiteer coming down to a small city and trying to put everyone out of a job/out on the street unless someone raises money or does that tedious thing where they record them saying something (which, I'm glad didn't happen in this movie).

    None of those movies promote communism. The only movie I know that does is the crappy Godzilla ripoff Kim Jung Il kidnapped directors and forced them to make.

    Still... how come there wasn't an outcry about Rachel Bitterman, the banker/real estate agent that wanted to kick the Muppets out of their theater to build a kitschy club that would last for about 3 months anyway? Like I said... if she wanted to get the Muppets out of the theater, just sell some retail space to Starbucks and Kinkos and gentrify the neighborhood so there's no way the Muppets could afford the rent?

    It's really a shame VMX did the evil banker thing already. I don't think Richman would have ANY sympathy if his plans were to tear down the Muppet Studio to put up luxury condos that would lose funding half way through, leaving Richman to embezzle the rest of the money and pretend to go bankrupt.
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  19. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Haha, just like our "wonderful" government, lulz.

    As much as Im annoyed at times by the Obama worshipping liberal media and Bill Maher types, the right wingers are so lulzy I wonder if anyone actually takes them or these GOP candidates seriously.

    And you know Dr Tooth...Ive begun to wonder...I wonder if all this "pro environment" stuff is truly all left wing. Given it's greedy corporations pushing this fake "go green/eco" this, it feels like a trojan horse or smoke screen to sucker people with a co-opted message. They've co-opted the green movement, so they can continue their shady practices.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It isn't even that deep into conspiracy theory. It's all about good PR. Companies like that are as green as a shade of orange. They just want you to think they're all environmental. And if they actually are for the sake of PR, at least that's more than we can expect out of them.

    Everyone's whining about the environmental message in The Lorax, when they really should be complaining about how they turned a deep, stark warning of a kid's book into a lame bumper sticker. They even endorse a "fuel efficient" SUV. :rolleyes:
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