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The Muppets Take Hollywood at Jack in the Box

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by Phillip, Jun 7, 2003.

  1. Louis Kazagger

    Louis Kazagger New Member

    Hey Quinn,

    I'm not familiar with Utah at all, so I don't know if either of these is close to Salt Lake City or not, but there are two JITB in Utah, one in St. George, and one in Washington Utah.

    .....Nevermind, I just looked on mapquest and they look like they're both a couple hundred miles away from you (just across the state lines of Nevada and Arizona), so it wouldn't make for a wise road trip I'm guessing. Sorry, I couldn't help.
     
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Aw, perhaps it is star bucks I was thinking that is everywhere?
    Oddly enough there is at least 6 or 7 JB's just in my small immediate area alone...I really did think they were everywhere like Mcdonalds(wendys I know arent around as much)
    Anyways, 31 states without JB's? had no idea.

    Btw, just for the record...I'll go on record to say if you only get 3, make sure its the chef, gonzo, and piggy...the worst is Pepe I hate to say(hes like almost as tall as Animal!) And Fozzie just looks odd...but contrary to what the review on MC soudned like, these are really good quality(Ive been colelcting happy meal premiums for ages, so I know)
     
  3. Mayhem Roadie

    Mayhem Roadie New Member

    Hey now, I thought I did these toys some justice in my article. I'm really impressed with them as well, especially Kermit and the Swedish Chef, but they're all excellent considering they're kids meal toys.

    A couple of funny sidenotes:
    The heads of Swedish Chef and Miss Piggy come off really easy, and can be switched, looks hilarious too.

    Pepe, though a bit off model, can be removed from that clamshell base with a sharp knife and some careful precision, and he will stand on his own afterwards too. Once that's done he fits in quite well with the Palisades stuff.
     
  4. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Member

    Louis, if you had asked politely, perhaps someone would have been willing to consider your suggestion. There were more tactful ways to bring this subject up.

    The idea of helping other fans out is not a bad one. However, there are some things to consider:

    1) If I offered to do it for all the hundreds of fans who want the figures, I'd have to give up all my other responsibilities just to keep up with the orders!

    2) If I said I'd only do it for certain people who were close friends in order to keep it manageable, then I'd be accused (quite rightly) of forming a clique and being unfair to others. eBay seems a more democratic method, as everyone gets a chance.

    3) In the current economy, the best job I can get is 25 hours a week. It's been ongoing but it could end at any time. I need income wherever I can get it, and selling things on eBay in order to make money is neither an immoral or illegal way to get that additional income. In fact, last time I checked, Muppet fans sold things on eBay all the time. Since when did this become a huge controversy?

    Nonetheless, now that this whole subject has been brought up, I'll pose the question to the group at large. What do you think? The last thing I want to be acccused of is "using" my friends. That's not what this is supposed to be about. Are you all cool with the whole eBay idea? Or do I have to pretty much abandon it? If there are 3 or 4 of us who live in states that have JITB, and 10 or 15 people who want the figures, then doing it for free is a manageable idea. But not if there are 2 of us with JITB's and hundreds of people who want them.

    Also, as a side note, is it important to keep these things in the bags? I know action figures are only valuable if kept on the original cards, but at least the packaging is attractive. But I'd like to get a better look at these figures (no, I can't even afford to keep any of them for myself right now), and it would look much better to pose them outside of the bag for photos (if eBay is the route I go). Plus, the Piggy I got was in a torn bag and that was the only one they had left. Is that a big deal to other collectors, or are you just going to take them out of the ugly bags anyway?
     
  5. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Ack, sorry...I was referring to a discussion me and BlueFrackle had, got mixed up there...so yeah, not your article, but me and BlueFrackle were debating about the 'quality'. 22 years of collecting Muppet figures, these are some of the best quality ones Ive seen(non Palisades) So BlueFrackle, just for the record, these are very good quality IMHO;)

    Now even my mom got a kick out of my analness about scale.
    Im a bit of a Muppet OCD/perfectionist. I started my Muppet figure collection in I think around 81 with the FP line when I was 3...so I like to keep everything in scale(hence why the Palisades figures, save for the packins, are too big)

    Such is why sadly Pepe just doesnt fit in at all. Swedish Chef and Gonzo, & Piggy are perfect. I was surprised they came out with 7, man. I just REALLLLY wished they came out with Beaker...maybe we can plead with em to do a series 2? I just know I like this Piggy and Chef better than Palisade's version, tho Palisades Pepe blows this one away.

    Finally, beigng these are only a buck a piece(I filled my whole backpack lol) customs can be done easily. I was thinking of trying to make Pepe more to scale, mouth closed, thake that clam off...but then I realized it would be too hard. though with nice acrylics, one can give Piggy a new color dress, or customize Gonzo's suit.

    Again, Im just astonished we have a new line of Muppet Show figures...from Jack in the Box of all places.
     
  6. Crazy Harry

    Crazy Harry New Member

    I will asume you say this because of your prefence to the scale and not because of sculpting or anything like that.

    :grouchy:
     
  7. Louis Kazagger

    Louis Kazagger New Member

    Hi Chilly, sorry if you took my frustrations personally. I wasn't really talking about you specifically. I'm just surprised that no one has stepped up to the plate to offer to be a helper on these. I mean, really, what are we all here for? Just to share information and talk? Or are we here to do all that, but to also help one another further our Muppets collections by lending a helping hand now and again when we can? I'd like to think it's the latter.

    It's a whole do unto others thing for me. And I really believe in "toy karma" (I know, call me crazy). I mean, wouldn't you want someone to help you out at cost plus shipping if there was a Muppets item you wanted that you didn't have access to, but it was a dime a dozen for them?

    If there was no collector's club, wouldn't we all be trying to partner up with buddies, asking them to pick up an extra convention exclusive figure for us at Philly, Chicago, and San Diego? Wouldn't we want a little help, and want to hear something besides "yeah, I have an extra Bunsen and Beaker Stepping Out two pack, but if you want it go buy it from me on ebay"? Thankfully Palisades thinks enough of us to extend the availability of the convention exclusives to us as well through the club.

    Also, Palisades has been holding these lotteries for their rarest promotional figures, the action figures given out to their vendors at toy fair and as thank you's, convention after party exclusives, etc... (holiday Kermit, tux Rowlf, black jacket Rizzo). Yet they've been holding some of these back for club members, holding drawings where some lucky members get to buy them. Yes, they do sell them for a nominal fee, which covers production costs, labor involved to process the mailing, etc... but they could sell them for much much more on ebay. And they do have an ebay account. Yet they choose to offer them to the club reasonably because they hate to see us pay exorbitant amounts of money for these exclusive items.

    Certainly as a community, we can treat each other with at least as much respect as a company like Palisades treats us with, no?

    And no one would expect anyone to take on hundreds of requests to help everyone out. Generally what happens is someone starts a helper thread, and those who can help offer their services for whatever they feel like they can manage, "I'll help out five people", etc... How you choose who to help is up to you. Names out of a hat from a list, people who have helped you in the past, etc... No one would fault you for favoring people you know or who have helped you. Personally I'd feel a lot better knowing that you helped five people you felt close to on this forum, rather than having the almighty dollar win out on ebay.

    And no ones saying you can't sell on ebay. I just felt like your brethren on this forum deserved a little better than that. Certainly there are plenty of Muppet fans around the world who aren't members of this forum that would gladly still purchase from you on ebay. So you, and others who have access, could help out folks on this forum and make a tidy profit on the side on ebay at the same time.

    I think keeping the figs in their bags is important to some collectors, so your best bet would be to leave them in the bags and let those people receiving the sets decide if they want to open them when they get them. I don't think there would be too much harm done if you borrowed the MCF photo of the set for your auctions:

    http://www.muppetcentral.com/collectibles/muppetpics/fastfood_jack_in_the_box.jpg

    Anyway, that's my take on the whole subject. Everyone has to decide for themselves what role they want to play in this community. End of sermon.

    :D
     
  8. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Member


    Huh?
     
  9. Louis Kazagger

    Louis Kazagger New Member

    I was referring to this part of chilly's post:

    "If I said I'd only do it for certain people who were close friends in order to keep it manageable, then I'd be accused (quite rightly) of forming a clique and being unfair to others. eBay seems a more democratic method, as everyone gets a chance."

    If you want to be fair, toss names in a hat and draw out winners. Ebay's not democratic. It's autocratic. There the golden rule means that he who has the gold makes the rules... ;)
     
  10. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Member

    So as long as he helps at least five (possibly) strangers online, you will sleep better at night? Your sense of entitlement is really amazing.
     
  11. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    We've never had any kind of thing going on here that has meant every time something Muppety comes out people have to spend their time getting stuff for everybody else - it is primarily a news and discussion forum. The community part comes from friendships building over time and relationships forming both on and off the forum. You use it to get to know people and make buddies and you never know, if you ask nicely they might help you out with some merchandise and maybe you can do the same for them. Joining doesn't give you instant access to goods - it isn't a collectors club though the people are pretty good even with people they don't know - if you post a polite request you'd probably get some offers of help.

    What i don't like is people being shamed into it and having to feel obligated to start some mail order service just because they happen to post to the forum and they shouldn't be made to feel bad if they don't want to do that. Most people wouldn't have the time and money to be able to do such a thing and if they only have resources to just help out a few buddies off forum and put a few spare sets on Ebay to make a few bucks then theres nothing wrong with that at all. If they offer to do stuff for people on this forum then thats real nice of them, but this kind of talk would probably put people off helping.
     
  12. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Just wanted to add that the "Wanted" folder is just for such a request. If you are wanting a member to pick up a set of these for you, then politely request if anyone is willing to help. At the same time though, please post a realistic list of what you might be willing to trade for the Jack in the Box figures. You can also write people privately to work out a trade. E-mail is often the best way to work out such an arrangement.

    There isn't a Jack in the Box within more than five hours of where we live so I understand the situation some of you are in. It is frustrating not having one nearby. However, there are many members here who are very happy to help each other out if they choose to do so.
     
  13. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Sometimes you can email off the forums and ask someone to help, and they will. That way it's more private, nobody's feelings are hurt, you might get what you want, and everybody's happy!

    I just ask politely, "If you can get it for me, I'd appreciate it; but, if not, it's understandable." Then I ask someone else.

    I NEVER request it on the boards anymore because I don't want someone to become overwhelmed with requests.
    ********************
    So, TOM, will you get me, like, 700 sets of these and pay for it up front and mail them to me and I'll pay you back when I can?

    Just kidding! :crazy:
     
  14. Louis Kazagger

    Louis Kazagger New Member

    Sorry to ruffle anyone's feathers guys and gals.

    I come from a toy list where folks bend over backwards for each other, offering to take on their brothers and sisters for items that they couldn't find in their areas. It has a real sense of family. People often mail packages just on good faith, before they've even been repaid for the items. A great community to be a part of. Just like this forum, it has people from all walks of life, but with one thing in common, a shared passion that they can all appreciate, so much so that they know how much the little hard to find things mean to one another. People doing what they can to help each other further our collections. I guess I've been taking it somewhat for granted.

    Probably part of the reason it's so different is because it was created before and most of the members joined before the invention of ebay. So we had to rely on one another early on, as we had no real alternative. And because there wasn't this global market yet, no one could forsee an easy way to make a profit for a common local item.

    And yes, it has all the same aspects here as well, with the news and discussion, keeping each other informed, and the building of friendships, people meeting each other when they visit another members towns, etc.... Heck, there's even an annual get together at someone's house where all members are invited to attend.

    Basically I was just shocked when I didn't see anyone offering to help ahead of time, because that's what I'm used to seeing. I guess I've been spoiled.

    I'm not trying to shame anyone into doing anything. Like I said, it's a matter of choice how one handles themselves on this or any other forum. If you're helping people because you feel guilty, you're doing it for the wrong reason. It's supposed to make you feel good, knowing that you've helped someone else. And it's supposed to bring the group even closer together, humanize it even more. In that respect the Palisades club is a bad thing, because we don't need one another (and think what the ebay prices would be then!). I really didn't think this was such a novel idea here, but I guess it is.

    Admittedly, I went about introducing it the wrong way with my initial sarcasm. Like I said, I was just amazed that no one was offering, saying something to the effect of "hey, I know that 33 states and all the international members have no access to Jack in the Box. I feel your pain. Send me your emails and I'll pick ten people to help at cost."

    If anyone wants to make money on ebay, that's fine. But it's insulting to pretend that when you put items on auction it's some philanthropic gesture for the members of the community.

    I have no sense of entitlement just because I'm on the forum, like "you have to help ME, I'm a member!" I've only ever helped one other member on this forum, by getting them a vacation Fozzie for cost, so I'm not well known in the trading circles here, so I personally wasn't expecting anything from anyone for myself. I just couldn't believe that you weren't doing if for each other. That I could see anyway. Like you said some of this may be going on behind the scenes with people who are afraid of being inundated with requests (personally I don't think the amount of demand is there for that fear, but anyway.)

    Never anywhere did I ask for help as I knew I'd be able to get help elsewhere. I just wanted to try to bring that same sense of community I'm used to here and show that we can do it too. But I started off on the wrong foot and went about it the wrong way I suppose.

    I do really believe that people will remember when you've helped them out in the past, and they'll be looking out for you in the future when something comes along that you can't find. Some call it toy karma. I know, I'm crazy. I guess I'm a dinosaur and the world I live in doesn't exist anymore outside my other group. Why should I be surprised? People don't even talk to their neighbors anymore, why should anyone care about faceless people on the internet? And I guess that's why ebay generates billions in sales every year now....

    I'm done with the topic and this thread now. Don't worry, you guys have set me straight how things are in the "real world". I've seen the light and the folly of my notions. I'll join the ranks of the wickeder and wiser and when I see all those Koozebane Kermit's at Target, I'll remember that it's every man and woman for themselves, and direct you all to ebay.....
     
  15. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Member

    Louis, I'm sorry you're taking this so hard. I have helped out people online before, both friends and strangers, and if the issue had been raised differently, who knows? Oh, well. No hard feelings on my end.

    To the rest of you, your comments and feedback are greatly appreciated.
     
  16. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Um, so when does this start? heh, maybe it happens *after* being on MC for 5 years? (has it been that long? eep!)
     
  17. Gonzo

    Gonzo Active Member

    Yeah. But when certain people get to five years, we'll up it to say, eight years.

    ;)

    Quinnnnnnnnnnnn
     
  18. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Gosh darn, I cant believe Ive been on here for about 5 years(this Fall) I dont think Ive ever been on a forum *that* long, heh.
    Hopefully there will be another Muppetfest so we can have some zany times again!(*wink wink* Tom, DW, Dave, and Kevin)
     
  19. Stulz

    Stulz Active Member

  20. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Member

    Chris,

    How much did you end up getting for the first set you sold? Just curious.
     


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