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Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by muppet maniac, Oct 2, 2006.
I was laughing so hard!
Well, it is hard. Trust me.
And I cannot stand Family Guy myself, certainly not enough to watch it for a stray Muppet reference. And trust me, when it comes to standing on a soapbox of self-righteousness, Brian of FG is much, much, much worse about it than Lisa.
Yes... BUUUUUT unlike Lisa, Brian gets his butt kicked violently, and Quagmire keeps handing his tail to him. Not to mention everyone tells him to shut up half the time.
Personally, I like Haylee best. No matter whatever she says, who cares? She's such a ho it doesn't matter.
Yeah, that's not mildly sexist....
Which basically says "I don't watch the show, so i don't know what this guy's talking about."
She is. She boinked Stan Smith's boss once...they hinted at her boinking a CIA agent who was a human brain in a koala's body... and basically she talks all high and mighty and blasts her Dad's conservative values BUT she's no role model herself. But they pretty much slowly took the finger wagging out of the character. And ironically, Stan's closer to Haylee than he is his son, who actually buys his same xenophobic beliefs.
The difference between Brian and Haylee and Lisa Simpson IS that Brian and Haylee are both arrogant jerks about what they believe. And guess what... they get comeuppance sometimes. They get called out for being hypocritical. Lisa, now... again, I stress I loved the character when she was a smarter, deeper version of Bart (not above being a brat) and I always claim Moanin' Lisa Blues as one of my all time favorite episodes. But lately, she's little miss perfect, the writers treat her like she's the star, and I SWEAR they have a crush on her. They're like... you know, those fan fic guys who obsess over one character.
That and the fact they STILL find Cletus funny (the hick thing went out when Beverly Hillbillies got cancelled) is what bugs me. But I LOVED that Oscar episode.
So to answer you're question, they all suck compared to Futurama. Now Leela... SHE's the best.
How dare you accuse me of not watching American dad? That show is hilarious! And it's much better than FG because it actually does have a plot and its characters are actually somewhat likable.
As for Hayley not being a role model; to paraphrase Calvin's dad from a "Calvin and Hobbes" strip, "yeah, because we all know how funny good role models are, right?".
Anyway, I was just saying that it's sexist because women who have many partners are considered "hos" as you put it, but a man can be easy like Sunday morning, and it's considered acceptable (or even expected). The double standard just annoys me, that's all.
And Futurama is overrated. So there.
How can it be a double standard when I didn't say any MEN were man hos? I mean, Bullock... he's the biggest man ho around. He's probably had a million times the partners Haylee had. And Roger... I'm not going to even talk about Roger... wow...
On the FG Quagmire's a walking disease factory and a rapist. Man Ho doesn't even scratch the surface.
I really shouldn't have used the word ho, I was a loss for words, but I can't really put my finger on how to explain it. She's pretty immoral, she drinks illegally and she's been prone to drug use (again, not even a tenth as much as Roger... wow... i LOVE that Roger). I like the double standard she had in that episode where Stan was screaming his head off about Haylee's illegal pot use, then to have her turn around and praise the ban on trans fats.
The one twist I like that they gave Brian is that anytime he gets on a soap box, he has an ulterior motive. There was an episode where he became an animal rights activist because he hit a dog DRUNK DRIVING! Now, I really think potential to have some character call him out on that was wasted... but it was all a stunt because he was worried about his own mortality. That Excellence in Broadcasting episode (much as I have a problem with some of it) said what they SHOULD have said about him all along. He ONLY says what he says to sound like the smartest guy in the room.
Now, I do admit Lisa has a dark side, but it's rarely brought out. Of course, to be fair, it's the writing. There is no better way to explain what they did to the characters (all of them) than the fact a TV Trope term has been named after one of their characters.... Flanderization. Basically when a tiny part of the character (say Flanders's Christianity) becomes all what the character was about. And the truth is, I see that in every character. Homer's just a force of fat jokes and dumb jokes, Otto's a druggy... etc. I don't like some of those changes either, especially since I always felt Flanders's religion was basically a one off to show that he was just better off than the Simpsons. Now it's just an annoying stereotype. And Flanders WAS one of my favorite characters too.
Okay, whatever, I really didn't mean for this to turn into a big deal.
I have to admit that one Family guy Sketch where it was shown the "Secret Origin" of the Pig in space segment on the Muppet show, made me laugh out loud as I always thought that how it was happened.
I got around to seeing the Christmas episode with Jim Henson and Kermit in the prison square with commentary... nothing significant was said. Which, in a way, is good. If the joke was explained, it would make sense... and that sort of joke should NEVER make sense.
Though, they did in length explain that legal couldn't get them clearance to make the universe boot up like an Apple computer....
Sunday night's new Family Guy episode had a brief reference: at the start, the family (now with Vinny in place of Brian) was watching TV. The announcer says, "We now return to Muppet Babies." But on the TV, we see the adult Kermit and Miss Piggy looking into a crib. Kermit notes there's something wrong with their child, to which they pan down to show a disturbing-looking frog/pig hybrid yelling that he's in pain and that he wants to die.
I doubt many others on this forum saw that, due to the recent events on the show. (I even heard the episode did not pull in the ratings FOX was expecting... I guess a lot of people were turned off by Vinny. (though to be fair, I have a feeling Brian is still going to come back in some way...)
I loyally watch the show, even though I don't enjoy it as much as I used to back when it first came out. Vinny really doesn't do much on the show compared to the character he replaced...well, so far. He basically said some homophobic joke that came off rather hateful than trollingly offensive... Trollingly offensive being Family Guy's bread and butter. But over all, it wasn't too interesting an episode anyway.
Here's an interesting idea for a parody Family Guy could do. Maybe it will occur during the teaser, where Peter and Stewie comment "At least it's not like the time we went through our calypso stage!" To which we then begin the episode with a parody of the 1992-1998 "Sesame Street" calypso opening sequence! Maybe Peter could do Big Bird's "Ha-HA!", Stewie Griffin doing Cookie's "HI! HI!" in the submarine, and a few other things, maybe even the cheesy animated elements like that monkey on a vine or that bird at the end!
Here's a good muppet reference.
ON Griifins' TV
The Muppet Newsman: Here's a muppet news flash Family Guy has been canceled here's Kermit the frog with the latest.
Kermit: Thank you, family guy will be replaced with reruns of the muppet show YAYYYYYYYYYYY, STARTING NOW.
Kinda too specific, and the author appeal would probably go for something from the 80's instead.
Statler and Waldorf
Oscar the Grouch
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