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Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by beaker, Dec 16, 2009.

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  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I've honestly never heard this until the other night, and I don't know who started that, but it's so obviously not true, because we all know that Jim married his high school sweet heart, had five kids, and even though they separated, they remained good friends... he's even dated Daryl Hannah.

    AIDS relating to homosexuality is a bit of a stereotype anymore; I remember shortly after Dick Sargent (Darrin #2) came out, he was diagnosed with cancer, and was so afraid that people were going to assume he was dying of AIDS simply because he was gay - not everyone who's gay has AIDS, and not everyone who's gay and dies died of AIDS. It's sad that it's happened that way to some, including Richard, but it doesn't happen to everyone like that. In a way, that's like saying ALL obese people die of heart attacks/strokes, or ALL women die of breast cancer, etc.
  2. JJandJanice

    JJandJanice Active Member

    I've never heard that rumor as well, :confused:. But Jim didn't die of AIDS, and as D'snowth explain despite the whole thing. AIDS being relating only to homosexuality is a stereotype. I'm thinking some of the less knowledgable fans were confusing Jim Henson with Richard Hunt.
  3. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yes, thank you.
  4. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Actually the Jim-died-of-AIDS rumor had existed pretty much since the time it happened before Richard passed away a couple years later. One of the tabloids (Globe i think) had a headline along the lines of "Did Jim Henson die of AIDS?" (Of course when you actually read the article it says he didn't). Being 1990, there was a bit more visibility of heterosexual AIDS via Magic Johnson so even though people who knew nothing about Jim had the gay rumors going on, AIDS gossip/rumor was being attached to both straight and gay celebs. (Not that this all makes the rumors any less repellent.)
  5. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter New Member

    Sorry, but since this is a thread about common misconceptions, I should refute this one. Jim didn't meet Jane until college. And even then, they knew each other for a while before they started dating... but, yes, everything else is just right and makes a fine point.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I've been saying that for years now... and I also have been saying that the labels were also put on there so some near sighted grandma wouldn't buy it for a one year old kid. I've seen that review ALL too many times on Amazon. "Little Sydney can't sit still when we're watching this Sesame Street VHS that came out almost 20 years ago." Uh... maybe it's because little Sydney's not even a toddler yet and learned how to move on his own? But I do agree that these old shows contradict the new model of instant gratification and pseudo-interactivity that just hasn't been discredited yet. And frankly, that's a GOOD thing.

    Oh yeah. Check out the skit on Sesame Street's video player... it's MUCH clearer than the ones on Youtube, which are all off of video tapes.

    I was going to mention that, but I didn't. I've said before there's a fine line difference between drunken fratboy talk (pairing up any cartoon characters that are male and saying that sa a harmless joke) and certain people who use that to promote a hateful agenda... What happened with Spongebob was a crime.

    Again.... Two Skits from 1971. This is the friendliest Oscar has EVER been, I don't care what anyone says. Helping Ernie and Bert in such a way? You wouldn't even see that now.

    I feel that way too. Grover and Gonzo DO have a similar build, and they have very similar rod arms. In fact, I was going to mention that a while ago, but didn't. They have a similar look to them when it comes to their puppet bodies (though Grover has an extra finger).
  7. muppet maniac

    muppet maniac Well-Known Member

  8. Gelfling Girl

    Gelfling Girl Active Member

    That thing has practically been done to death and yet there are still people seriously accepting it as the truth. As a kid, I always thought they were brothers. :o

    That is pretty much the same as saying that Sam the Eagle is evil. :attitude::grouchy:
  9. kdking

    kdking Member

    I remember a number of years ago, one of the TV evangelists ( Jerry Falwell or Jimmy Swaggart I can't remember which one) was on TV saying that Ernie and Bert were a gay couple. I remember it kinda torqued me off, at the time. :mad:

    That whole idea should be buried in a big, big hole.
  10. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Was this a conflation of Richard Hunt's passing a mere two years after Henson's death? I think perhaps that may be the source of the mix-up? I met Richard Hunt's sisters, they couldn't have been nicer and I can only imagine what a kind talented person Richard was, as well as JH himself.
  11. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Funny thing is, Sesame Workshop put out a gay Bert and Ernie shirt as part of Hot Topic's newer gay youth line they were trying. If I recall it had the heads of Bert and Ernie with a rainbow on the front and some catch phrase.

    Of course I've also seen at Hot Topic a spoof of the popular Saturday Night Live "I'm On A Boat" music video with Elmo on it, so Sesame has been tapping into various memes.
  12. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    The Muppet world is filled with "bad guys" though. Usually two handed or full bodied monsters, or characters like Carl The Monster. Oscar the Grouch, the Gorgs, Uncle Deadly...heck Swedish Chef when he's chasing after that Turkey.

    By "bad", I don't mean outright villains per se, but a natural character personality balance to act as a counterweight to the super positive characters. Just like Bert is the straight man to Ernie being the funny man.

    I would say on Sesame; Oscar, Grundgetta, Lefty, and a few others could be considered "bad guys".
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well, depending...he is definitely a contrarian.

    I find it funny that even though Sam was created in the early 1970's, his outright cartoonish spoof of uptight "moral majority" right wing conservative politicians is as true now as it was back then.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I was actually going to bring that up. Oh well, as long as a bunch of religious...excuse me... pseudo-religious leaders try to warp that for their own purposes, I think it's just a harmless goof.

    They need to make a "Snoopingas usual, I see" shirt. That's basically the only meme I really like.
  15. Gelfling Girl

    Gelfling Girl Active Member

    Seriously? Licensed merchandise? LOL, why haven't I seen THAT yet? ;)

    EDIT:
    Here's a pic if anyone wants to see it.
    http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/Ap...-Street-Bert-And-Ernie-Rainbow-Tee-263784.jsp
  16. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Wow- that's interesting. If not for the wording on the back, I wouldn't think anything of that shirt. I mean, just because you have a picture of two best friends under a rainbow doesn't mean they're gay. The rainbow makes me think of sunny days chasing the clouds away on Sesame Street.
    But yeah- the wording on the back definitely adds to it and I can see how it can be interpreted as promoting homosexuality. Although I don't think it has to be- I think Bert and Ernie have that kind of deep friendship where they truly do complete each other in a way- not a homoerotic way, but just as the best of friends way. Like Tod and Copper in "The Fox and the Hound" or other Odd Couple pairings.
    Given that it's Hot Topic, I'm not really surprised. But I am annoyed that they're using Bert & Ernie to push homosexuality even if it is a joke on a common myth. As Sesame Workshop themselves have clearly stated, Bert and Ernie are not gay. They're just puppets. They're best friends and their roommates. There's millions of college students who room together in dorms and some who share apartments after college and before finding a wife that obviously aren't gay; so it's stupid to insinuate such things about Sesame Street characters.
    I mean- come on. They're best friends- that's all.:p:(
  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm suddenly reminded of something...

    Back in my old PBS days, I remember whipping up a t-shirt design for a future Friends of Sesame Street pledge drive - the design was Ernie and Bert from behind, with their arms around each other shoulders in front of a big orange sun.

    Nobody really gave me any kind of feedback on it, positive or negative, all they said regarding using the design was "we'll talk about it".

    I guess they were feeling it might push homosexuality as well, especially since this around the time that our pledges were dropping drastically after a radical homeschool group turned people away from PBS because they claimed their children's shows promoted homosexuality.
  18. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Yep, I did just that. Thanks for the tip on that one- I can't believe I never caught that before. And I'm pretty sure I've seen that sketch a number of times before as a kid. Okay, so it's not quite the same as a full on cameo appearance, but it is neat to see a picture of Dr. Teeth on Sesame Street! (Of course, that got me wondering if that sketch was made after "Muppet Family Christmas" was released in 1987. Because at least with that special, we can establish that Grover and the other Sesame Street characters have met Dr. Teeth and would have a reason to have his picture up. Or I suppose they would have known him and Miss Piggy for that matter through Kermit already. Or maybe I'm thinking way too much into it.;):):D)
  19. Rax

    Rax New Member

    Haven't read all replies, but I get annoyed when people complain that all Muppets are left handed.
    And the person who made the Dutch subtitles for Muppet Family Christmas keeps writing Rowf in stead of Rowlf. Aaarghh!
    Oh, and all of those cheap *** translators who skip songs when making subs.

    Ah well, crappy subs are always better than crappy dubs of course.

    Gr, Rax
  20. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter New Member

    Something that annoys me is when people buy into rumors made up by people seeking a little fame. Such as the Swedish Chef origins rumor and the Kermit Scott rumor, both of which were denied (one by Jerry Juhl, the other by Jim Henson).


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